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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    It was an extended family reunion
    Parenta did not make the food
    if it is spicy others can eat it
    Okay, so parents are off the hook

    But, I still don't think it's wasteful to not eat something because it's too spicy. Especially, kids or people with sensitive mouths or stomachs. It's not about like/dislike, it could be painful. Some people are more sensitive to spicy, than others. I am assuming you are meaning hot spicy, not just flavor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    It was an extended family reunion
    Parenta did not make the food
    if it is spicy others can eat it
    So the children should be forced to eat it? What do you think should be done?
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    If somebody asked to borrow a suitcase to go on holiday, I'd tell them to f*ck off and buy their own suitcase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allezfred View Post
    If somebody asked to borrow a suitcase to go on holiday, I'd tell them to f*ck off and buy their own suitcase.
    We already knew that, allezfred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Japanfan View Post
    Except if she's hardly ever going to use a suitcase, borrowing makes more sense that buying second hand. Especially if you live in a small space and don't have much room to store a suitcase.
    Well, I *did* say that if she travels often enough then eventually it would have been more cost-effective to have bought her own suitcase in Chinatown. If she never travels anywhere then she could happily live without one, I agree.

    I live in a glorified studio so I know all about how valuable domestic real estate is. The nice thing about having a suitcase in your tiny little patch of paradise is that it can be used to store stuff - like bedsheets, towels, out of season clothes, frying pans, that sort of thing.

    After Christmas the thrift stores are full of breadmakers people got but didn't want for Christmas. That would be a wiser spending choice than either a suitcase or a nice box of chocolates. You could make nice breads for gifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milanessa View Post
    So the children should be forced to eat it? What do you think should be done?
    As i said the kids could easily let others eat it
    you really have to see the situation instead of going by a summary
    the meat was fresh (eta) off the pit
    kids took a bunch with spice visible on top and just threw it away eta: almost immediately
    The non spicy kind was in the other batch
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    I do see your point, jlai, but I, for one, do not want some kids leftovers. My own kids maybe but they wouldn't take what they won't eat anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milanessa View Post
    I do see your point, jlai, but I, for one, do not want some kids leftovers. My own kids maybe but they wouldn't take what they won't eat anyway.
    But they were not leftovers
    they were meat off the pit like 10 secs ago that just went to trash
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    Quote Originally Posted by allezfred View Post
    If somebody asked to borrow a suitcase to go on holiday, I'd tell them to f*ck off and buy their own suitcase.


    Quote Originally Posted by milanessa View Post
    We already knew that, allezfred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    But they were not leftovers
    they were meat off the pit like 10 secs ago that just went to trash
    I agree with Milanessa, if they were my kids, I'd take what they didn't eat, but after they took it they couldn't put it back. As far as taking the spicy, instead of the non-spicy - did they know there was another batch? Are these young kids? They may not have understood that the meat would be too spicy for them.

    It may be that these kids are wasteful in many situations, and you may have a very valid point, I just don't know that this example says wasteful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cruisin View Post
    I agree with Milanessa, if they were my kids, I'd take what they didn't eat, but after they took it they couldn't put it back. As far as taking the spicy, instead of the non-spicy - did they know there was another batch? Are these young kids? They may not have understood that the meat would be too spicy for them.

    It may be that these kids are wasteful in many situations, and you may have a very valid point, I just don't know that this example says wasteful.
    Let's start with me first. I am careless and I'm wasteful--that was what my parents told me as a kid, because I was clumsy and I could not peel my apples razor thin and I didn't always finish every lump of rice on my plate. According to my parents' generation (that went through war and hunger), that was very wasteful.

    My grandma considered my mom wasteful because mom didn't reuse her corn kernel and orange peel and lots of things we normally now toss without batting eyelash.

    My nephews' generation now throw away things we didn't consider waste in my generation and that's why I now call them wasteful--though I was perfectly wasteful by my parents' standard, and my parents were wasteful by their parents'.

    So you get my point-- as society gets wealthier there're lots of social conventions and systems and lifestyle changes that make people throw things away that were reused one generation ago. The problem is that when everyone around us sees reusing as not nice/unhygienic/other reasons then throwing away is socially acceptable--but then if everyone consumes like those kids do, we need four earths to sustain it, that is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    Let's start with me first. I am careless and I'm wasteful--that was what my parents told me as a kid, because I was clumsy and I could not peel my apples razor thin and I didn't always finish every lump of rice on my plate. According to my parents' generation (that went through war and hunger), that was very wasteful.

    My grandma considered my mom wasteful because mom didn't reuse her corn kernel and orange peel and lots of things we normally now toss without batting eyelash.

    My nephews' generation now throw away things we didn't consider waste in my generation and that's why I now call them wasteful--though I was perfectly wasteful by my parents' standard, and my parents were wasteful by their parents'.

    So you get my point-- as society gets wealthier there're lots of social conventions and systems and lifestyle changes that make people throw things away that were reused one generation ago. The problem is that when everyone around us sees reusing as not nice/unhygienic/other reasons then throwing away is socially acceptable--but then if everyone consumes like those kids do, we need four earths to sustain it, that is all.
    OMG I think we have the same parents. I'm so brainwashed that I have to tell myself that if food smells bad, I HAVE to throw it out. If it doesn't smell bad, it's still on the table. It's definitely a cultural thing, because my former roommate loved to cook but he hated to eat leftovers, even food that was just 2 days old. I got free food from him a few times.

    I just finished some leftovers yesterday that were probably 2 weeks old.

    I haven't yet started to save chicken bones to make broth though. I don't eat nearly enough boned chicken and there's barely enough room in my fridge to keep it. Otherwise I totally would.

    If I was given barbequed meat that was too spicy, I'd rub off as much of the sauce as I could, and/or wash it off a little with water. Or give it to my bf.

    But besides the cultural nitpicking, jlai I think has a good point. But besides that, sometimes it just makes sense to buy new instead of trying to re-use or fix the old. Take my inkjet photo printer for example - $30 on Craigslist, but has only printed in color correctly a total of 3 times. (First it was too much magenta, now it won't print magenta at all.) It's probably better to just buy a new printer instead of spending hours trying to fix an old one (believe me, I've tried), which is sad because there's just something little inside that could be fixed or replaced, but fixing it would be more expensive than buying a new one! Not to mention the lost time.

    I'm letting go for that godforsaken printer as soon as I've used up the ink for it, printing solely in extremely green casts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita18 View Post
    I'm letting go for that godforsaken printer as soon as I've used up the ink for it, printing solely in extremely green casts.
    Maybe you can make a soup out of the printer carcass to make up for the lack of chicken bones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    Let's start with me first. I am careless and I'm wasteful--that was what my parents told me as a kid, because I was clumsy and I could not peel my apples razor thin and I didn't always finish every lump of rice on my plate. According to my parents' generation (that went through war and hunger), that was very wasteful.

    My grandma considered my mom wasteful because mom didn't reuse her corn kernel and orange peel and lots of things we normally now toss without batting eyelash.

    My nephews' generation now throw away things we didn't consider waste in my generation and that's why I now call them wasteful--though I was perfectly wasteful by my parents' standard, and my parents were wasteful by their parents'.

    So you get my point-- as society gets wealthier there're lots of social conventions and systems and lifestyle changes that make people throw things away that were reused one generation ago. The problem is that when everyone around us sees reusing as not nice/unhygienic/other reasons then throwing away is socially acceptable--but then if everyone consumes like those kids do, we need four earths to sustain it, that is all.
    I do get your point. My parents grew up during the depression, they had very little. Consequently, my parents always stocked up, so that they would never be without. The problem with that is eventually, when you buy too much, things get wasted, they go bad. I am not wasteful, but I will not keep left over meat/chicken more than 3 days. Vegetables, I keep until they begin to get soft. Breads, till I see mold. Dairy gets used too fast, in my house, to go bad. But, I have had food poisoning from bad meats, 3 days, it's in the trash!

    As for spicy, I would never serve something spicy to a large group of people, too many people can't eat spicy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Japanfan View Post
    After Christmas the thrift stores are full of breadmakers people got but didn't want for Christmas. That would be a wiser spending choice than either a suitcase or a nice box of chocolates. You could make nice breads for gifts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    But they were not leftovers
    they were meat off the pit like 10 secs ago that just went to trash
    i dont understand, they took a bite and didnt want it. you think others should eat it after it was in their mouths or touched by their mouths?


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    Quote Originally Posted by my little pony View Post
    i dont understand, they took a bite and didnt want it. you think others should eat it after it was in their mouths or touched by their mouths?
    I am 95% sure they never took a bite, but I won't swear to it in court. Now at home, even if a bite was taken (which I am 95% sure didn't happen), the other pieces that the kids took but didn't eat could go on their parents' plates (which is the norm at my house).
    Anyway, this has been discusssed to death already. What's acceptable trash is cultural and social norms is also partly why modern societies create so much garbage. By the time the kids get to old age they may end up with a landfill near them the way they are going. And it's really not just the meat. I see them on a regular basis and they simply need three times the stuff I used to need at their age. It's just that "wasteful" is an ugly word that no one wants to see applied to kids.

    But the last time I went to see my Chinese friends every one said I was wasteful. It's just that I'm not as bad as the relatives I have down here and so by comparison I don't know iI'm wasteful-- until my Chinese friends and Thai friends in Asia point that out to me. By any Asian standards I should be ashamed of myself but I can complain about all my relatives I have around me. But does that make me feel better? hmmm.

    ETA: ANyway as I said you have to see the incident instead of going by a one paragraph summary. Even the person doing the BBQ was appalled.
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    What I buy: A perfectly rational purchase based on need, time/money saved and enduring pleasure it gives me/others/the world. My purchases make the world a better place, and sunshine and daisies and Skittles pop out of my ass whenever the register dings for I am a Good Citizen.

    What others buy: Unnecessary items that are overpriced junk; a wasteful and greedy exercise that takes food from orphans in Uganda and contributes to the downfall of civilization, manners and the behavior of "kids today." If others would stop being so consummerist, the world would be a better place.

    GMAFB. Most of y'all in here need to get off your f-ing high horses. Seriously, you're talking about not being affected by consumerism, want or greed on the internet on a figure skating board, where I know most of the posters in this thread have spent serious $$$ for icenetwork, cable and/or going to events at the tune of hundreds of bucks to watch people gad about in sparkles to bad music.

    How well would those decisions stand up to public scrutiny? And why is it anyone else's business what one spends their money on? For every judgement you make about how someone else chooses to use their paycheck, that person could make the same judgement about your choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milanessa View Post
    I find that people can justify any thing they buy.
    I find that most people can justify anything the DO…. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matryeshka View Post
    What I buy: A perfectly rational purchase based on need, time/money saved and enduring pleasure it gives me/others/the world. My purchases make the world a better place, and sunshine and daisies and Skittles pop out of my ass whenever the register dings for I am a Good Citizen.

    What others buy: Unnecessary items that are overpriced junk; a wasteful and greedy exercise that takes food from orphans in Uganda and contributes to the downfall of civilization, manners and the behavior of "kids today." If others would stop being so consummerist, the world would be a better place.

    GMAFB. Most of y'all in here need to get off your f-ing high horses. Seriously, you're talking about not being affected by consumerism, want or greed on the internet on a figure skating board, where I know most of the posters in this thread have spent serious $$$ for icenetwork, cable and/or going to events at the tune of hundreds of bucks to watch people gad about in sparkles to bad music.

    How well would those decisions stand up to public scrutiny? And why is it anyone else's business what one spends their money on? For every judgement you make about how someone else chooses to use their paycheck, that person could make the same judgement about your choices.
    You nailed it! I would only add: there are also some here who have spent $$$ on skating themselves or their kid's skating - wonder if anyone thinks that's wasteful.

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