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    I'm happy that the next US Nationals will be "wide open" for the next generation. Nothing against Evan but I prefer to see a 'changing of the guard' after most Olympics. (That feeling goes for Plushy too...no national favoritism here.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PDilemma View Post
    If it is, it shouldn't be. And if this is the reason, I do not blame Lysacek for refusing. If it is not standard, it is a shameless money grab by USFSA. If it has been a standard practice, he is still right to take a stand for himself and other skaters who have been subject to it.
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    Really, nubka??? So if you, for whatever reason, had a second job to make extra money and your first employer decreed to you that you had to turn over a percentage of your other income to them, you would do it happily? You would think yourself a diva if you did not?

    If any skater earns endorsement money, unless the endorsement was specifically negotiated by USFSA, they should not be entitled to or demand any portion of the money.

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    I would like to know if that's standard practice, too. If it is, USFSA should be ashamed of themselves. The envelope money doesn't even begin to make up for what the skaters and their families have spent over the years. Grabbing for a chunk of their endorsement deals just looks greedy.

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    I said it previously but I doubt he will come back at all. He will never come close to his 2009-2010 level of success, and he has already done it all in the sport, so what is the point. Right now he has a dream life as the Star of Stars on Ice, and he be giving that up to drop well down the international rankings. Plus he apparently no longer has much support from the USFSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFan66 View Post
    Oh well. Based on the GP performances this season, it is doubtful that team USA can earn back the third spot this year... just hope that they can hold on to two spots
    If Abbott skates to his potential he can medal at Worlds. One of the other U.S guys can come top 10. Regaining 3 spots is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oreo View Post
    Is taking a percentage of a skater's endorsement income standard practice for the USFSA? Is that in the contract everybody signs?
    Ah, where is Morry when he could actually be useful?
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    As far as I know, we have no reason to buy the rumor (and it was qualified as a rumor by the poster) that the USFSA is doing a money grab here. There is simply no solid evidence of that right now. If a % of endorsements is part of the USFSA customary deal and it's applied across the board, well, then Evan knew all about it from the get-go and is trying to negotiate an exception to it. Ok, one can try - but we don't know if that's what's happening.

    It could just as well (to flip the coin in the rumor department) be Evan's representatives playing brinksmanship with USFSA: setting up the expectation that Evan is ready to skate (which is probably close to true), delivering nothing (except tweets) at this point, hoping that the US men will perform so poorly internationally this season that the USFSA offers Evan a whole big bundle (which they don't have) to return. But I have absolutely no evidence for that either - just my take because negotiation is a part of what I do for a living.

    It would be nice if we could get some real information but I doubt that the principals will be forthcoming. My overall impression - Evan isn't doing himself any PR favors here regardless of the scenario. I think I'm with Scott on this one - if you're going to skate, skate.
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    It's time for Evan to move on. He had his day in the sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemgirl View Post
    And if I'm not mistaken, a top ten finish by the no. 1 guy and the US keeps the second spot no matter what. Abbott and Rippon did well enough in 2010 to keep a third spot.
    As I understand the rules, a top 10 finish by just one skater yields 2 spots for next year, and a top 2 finish yields 3 spots. But that's only if there is just one skater. If there are already 2, then both placements are counted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milanessa View Post
    Ah, where is Morry when he could actually be useful?
    Not a nice way to get him over here

    Question - is the USFSA really hard up for money? I mean, more than normal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polymer Bob View Post
    As I understand the rules, a top 10 finish by just one skater yields 2 spots for next year, and a top 2 finish yields 3 spots. But that's only if there is just one skater. If there are already 2, then both placements are counted.
    Yes, but top ten means that you need an 18 from the second placed skater to keep the second slot, and nobody can get worse than 18 points. So if the top skater is in the top ten, it doesn't really matter what the others do; the second slot is secure (though if the second skater does poorly, the lower-ranked entry might have to go through the QR in the next season's Worlds). I should have made it clearer in my original post that this was what I was referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oreo View Post
    Is taking a percentage of a skater's endorsement income standard practice for the USFSA? Is that in the contract everybody signs?

    Edited to add: Adam Rippon, Richard Dornbush, and Ross Miner must be extremely relieved.
    I would love to know the history of this practice, assuming it exists, and is standard. I can kind of see some logic.....USFSA supports a skater for years, and it is, generally, with their support that the skater becomes a mega success...so they pay back a bit to help the support the skaters behind them.

    Love to know how it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polymer Bob View Post
    As I understand the rules, a top 10 finish by just one skater yields 2 spots for next year, and a top 2 finish yields 3 spots. But that's only if there is just one skater. If there are already 2, then both placements are counted.
    That's how it was done years ago, but for the past several years, you add the placements of the top 2 skaters for your country together and if that total is 13 or less, you get three spots.

    For example, if your skaters finish 6 and 7, you get three spots next year. If they're 1st and 20th, as with Canadian Men last year, you get 2.

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    What endorsements does Evan have?
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    From US Figure Skating website:

    "When compensation has been offered to a skater for an appearance, endorsement or exhibition performance, the skater cannot accept the compensation or perform in the activity without first receiving special permission from the USFS. Approval may come in the form of a sanction for the activity. The skater should confirm with the chair of the USFS Sanctions and Eligibility Committee that the sponsor of the activity has obtained a sanction and that the terms of the skater’s offer of compensation have been properly disclosed on the sanction application. If the compensation has been offered for an activity that is not sanctioned, the skater must request special permission from the USFS to accept the offer. This request for permission must be accompanied by a completed draft of a special agreement between the skater and the person or entity who will be compensating the skater. The special agreement is called an Eligible Skater’s Compensation Agreement or ESCA.

    The USFS requires an ESCA for two reasons: (1) to safeguard the skater’s eligibility to compete, and (2) to make sure that nothing the skater has been asked to do will conflict with existing USFS obligations or with the many laws, rules, policies and provisions that the USFS is required to observe as national governing body for figure skating.

    Approval of an ESCA is not automatic. Each ESCA submitted to the USFS for approval is reviewed carefully by the USFS. Many factors are examined, including the policy and compliance issues mentioned above. In addition, nothing the skater has been asked to do can impact a contractual obligation entered into by the USFS for the benefit of the sport as a whole. The USFS enters into contracts with third parties (for example, contracts to televise and sponsor major championships) in order to raise the necessary revenue to carry out its obligations under the Amateur Sports Act. These obligations include administering the sport, funding its member programs, and developing its athletes from grassroots through elite. In order to fulfill this mission, the USFS must not imperil the sources of its revenue. If the activity for which the ESCA is sought is deemed by the USFS to conflict with its contractual obligations, the application for an ESCA will not be approved. While the USFS will do its best to approve applications for ESCAs, please be aware that there are many considerations that go into review before an ESCA is entitled to receive approval.

    If the USFS determines it can grant the skater permission to engage in the activity and receive compensation for doing so, it will sign the ESCA. Only then may the skater accept the offer and perform the requested activity. The skater is not permitted to enter into a final binding agreement with a contractor, either verbally or in writing, without first receiving approval of the ESCA from the USFS. Under the rules governing eligible figure skaters, a skater is not permitted to participate in any appearance, endorsement or exhibition performance for compensation without approval of the USFS.

    The draft ESCA must be submitted to the USFS Headquarters for review no later than two weeks prior to the activity for which the skater will be compensated is to occur. For a skater receiving compensation in a non-sanctioned event, a processing fee equal to 10% of the compensation to the skater or $150.00, whichever is less, payable by the contractor to the USFS, shall be submitted by the contractor with the draft ESCA and is nonrefundable."

    I had always heard 10%, not "10% or $150 whichever is less." If Evan needs approval for every appearance or endorsement, I am sure there is more labor cost on USFS's end for each approval than $150, especially for large contracts. Much thought must go into whether the deal reflects well on USFS and into protecting Evan's eligibility. I would imagine having USFS involved in every deal you make to be exasperating. And since USFS would be very aware of what funds Evan is pulling in, that they would want at least their 10%.

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    The "dispute" is such a convenient excuse.

    It allows him to be a seen as a skater who still wants to remain competitive (hence his value rises), just isn't able to because of eville outside forces beyond his control.

    I will believe in this "comeback" when I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    The "dispute" is such a convenient excuse.

    It allows him to be a seen as a skater who still wants to remain competitive (hence his value rises), just isn't able to because of eville outside forces beyond his control.

    I will believe in this "comeback" when I see it.
    It is nothing more than a marketing scheme to keep himself relevant. Which is silly since he was staying relevant doing what he had been doing, headlining Stars on Ice, making celebrity appearances, doing interviews. He has dropped his stock in all regards with this silly zouped up no comeback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    I said it previously but I doubt he will come back at all. He will never come close to his 2009-2010 level of success, and he has already done it all in the sport, so what is the point. Right now he has a dream life as the Star of Stars on Ice, and he be giving that up to drop well down the international rankings. Plus he apparently no longer has much support from the USFSA.
    My impression of Stars on Ice is that it is on it's last legs, not drawing much of a crowd. Even if he is getting paid well, it isn't very gratifying to perform to an almost empty house after all those years of training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aliceanne View Post
    My impression of Stars on Ice is that it is on it's last legs, not drawing much of a crowd. Even if he is getting paid well, it isn't very gratifying to perform to an almost empty house after all those years of training.
    Evan is not listed as part of the cast on their site. Perhaps he will be added now, but initially, he had not signed with them because of returning to competition. Which would indicate it was a sincere intention.

    But then again, he is the most nefarious creature in figure skating, so I'm sure it was all an evil conspiracy.

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