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    "Just Between US Ladies": 2011-12 season news, views, score updates & more

    Thread title courtesy of Vagabond. Men are allowed to post here too!

    CURRENT TOP TEN U.S. INTERNATIONAL SENIOR/JUNIOR LADIES SCORES
    177.48 Alissa Czisny - Skate America, 1st (SR)
    172.69 Gracie Gold - JGP Estonia, 1st (JR in US this season)
    167.46 Mirai Nagasu - Nebelhorn Trophy, 1st (SR); 151.72 - Skate Canada, 5th
    165.48 Ashley Wagner - Skate Canada, 3rd (SR)
    156.58 Vanessa Lam - JGP Austria, 1st (SR)
    153.84 Samantha Cesario - JGP Poland, 3rd (SR)
    151.91 Courtney Hicks - JGP Australia, 1st (SR) - out for the season due to injury
    146.74 Hannah Miller - JGP Italy, 3rd (JR)
    140.70 Caroline Zhang - Skate America, 6th (SR)
    139.70 Joelle Forte - Skate America, 8th (SR)

    This week: Christina Gao makes her season debut at Cup of China, Mirai Nagasu skates her 2nd GP in 2 weeks in China, and Caroline Zhang competes at her first Senior B - Ice Challenge in Graz, Austria (live free video stream available - Senior Ladies SP/FS is Friday/Saturday).

    Reposting from the earlier thread:
    17 U.S. SENIOR/JUNIOR LADIES WITH A TOTAL SCORE OF 140+ IN CLUB OR REGIONAL COMPETITION
    185.70 Yasmin Siraj, New England Regional Championships (October)
    167.31 Ashley Wagner, Glacier Falls (August)
    164.66 Vanessa Lam, Silicon Valley Open (August)
    164.24 Leah Keiser, Glacier Falls (August)
    160.31 Gracie Gold (JR), Chicagoland Fall Invitational (September)
    158.38 Samantha Cesario, Liberty Summer Competition (July)
    157.99 Mirai Nagasu, Glacier Falls (August)
    153.23 Courtney Hicks, Glacier Falls (August)
    148.10 Hannah Miller (JR), Skate Detroit (July)
    147.18 Barbie Long (JR), Skate San Francisco (August)
    146.18 Caroline Zhang, Glacier Falls (August)
    145.71 Nina Jiang, Houston Fall Invitational (Sept.)
    144.61 Lexis Verhulst (JR), Upper Great Lakes Regional Championships (Oct.)
    143.46 Kiri Baga, Upper Great Lakes Regional Championships (Oct.)
    142.51 Amanda Dobbs, Southwestern Regional Championships (Oct.)
    142.04 Angela Wang, Central Pacific Regional Championships (Oct.)
    140.50 McKinzie Daniels, Southwestern Regional Championships (Oct.)

    The highest Novice Ladies total score from the 9 Regionals was 135.87 (93.69 in FS) by 2011 Intermediate champion Karen Chen. She attempted 5 triples in her FS (3Lo, 2A+2T, 3S+2T+2Lo, 3Lz+2Lo, 3Lz, 3F) and landed all her jumps except for a fall on the 3F (she did land 3F with slightly negative GOE in her SP).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
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    165.48 Ashley Wagner - Skate Canada, 3rd (SR)
    I should have my head examined, but I find myself excited (again) over Ashley's prospects. Judging by SC, it looks like John Nicks really helped her clean up her jump landings which was her chief pitfall IMO and kept her from going up in the rankings. The 110.98 she received in the LP would've been several points higher had she done a 3-2-2, and it can go up even further with a 2x-3t which she's definitely capable of. Now, maybe she should focus on the 3loop, for now anyway as the solo jump in the SP and repeating that one in the LP. It's a good 'money jump' for her.

    I hope her injured toe heals soon.

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    ^^ITA.

    I've never really been a fan of Ashley's but she's really looking like she wants it this year. More importantly, she's backing up her claims. You can see the influence of John Nicks on Ashley's skating. Very Sasha-like in her movements: extended, sustained, very elegant and lovely. Add that to her jumps and you have a great combination.

    I really hope she continues to improve b/c IMO I think she's the strongest lady the US has. Alissa is gorgeous and everything, but she is still rather iffy when it comes to her jumps...just so happens she's getting the boost she needs from the judges to compensate for her technical shortcomings.

    Obviously, Ashley and Alissa are looking like the two strongest but we still have Christina Gao and Agnes Zawadski. Christina has slowly been coming into her own and maturing, plus she has fabulous jumps. Agnes is in the same boat; a new coaching change and a 3-3 might be what she needs to get her some recognition. Both of these ladies are strong and have the potential to be podium threats...especially with Mirai and Rachael skating the way they've started out.

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    I've always been a fan of Ashley, so I'm glad that she seems to be going on a good path this season

    You know what kind of bugs me, that after 2 GPs, Gracie's score is still the overall 2nd highest int. score produced by US ladies, why is she competing in Jr at nationals?!?!?!?!? : can someone talk some sense into this girl? even if she wasnt in the medals, i'm pretty sure a trip to Jr. worlds would be easily handed to her, am I right?
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    Yes, Wagner seems to be heading in the right direction...but just like doom-and-gloom over Nagasu, I think it is too soon in the season to start hyping up Wagner based only on what happened at SC...

    However, she does seem like one of the few Americans who actually WANT it...Czisny's demonstrating it by going for harder jumps in her FS, and Wagner has said she "wants it" for a few years and is just now beginning to show it (you could see the improvement in her skating, less rushed, more refined, stronger jumping)

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    Yes the flutz is still there, but I like that Wagner checks out her jumps strongly now and sits on them. Of the 7 jumps she landed at Skate Canada (not counting the 3lutz she fell on), none were called under-rotated or 2 footed. Now that's progress from even Glacier Falls.

    Her programs used to be too hectic, now they are a bit too dull. I feel she could get into her programs more, and the Black Swan program is especially ordinary, but I like the spirit she projects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DimaToe View Post
    You know what bugs me, that after 2 GPs, Gracie's score is still the overall 2nd highest int. score produced by US ladies, why is she competing in Jr at nationals?!?!?!?!? ...
    even if she wasnt in the medals, i'm pretty sure a trip to Jr. worlds would be easily handed to her, am I right?
    But scores aren't truly comparable across competitions. In any case, the last two U.S. Junior ladies champs (Zawadzki and Hicks) were selected for Junior Worlds after they convincingly won their respective Junior national titles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DimaToe View Post
    ...You know what bugs me, that after 2 GPs, Gracie's score is still the overall 2nd highest int. score produced by US ladies, why is she competing in Jr at nationals?!?!?!?!? can someone talk some sense into this girl? even if she wasnt in the medals, i'm pretty sure a trip to Jr. worlds would be easily handed to her, am I right?
    It is quite possible Gracie's coach actually has a development plan in place for her. Pushing someone ahead based on a single (or even a couple) of good skate(s) is, IMHO, not a great strategy. Taking things a bit slower and making sure all the building blocks are in place is a better way to make sure the skater has some longevity in the sport. I am thrilled that whoever is in charge is not succumbing to pressure to move Gracie up if she isn't ready.
    A good rant is cathartic. Ranting is what keeps me sane. They always come from a different place. Take the prime minister, for example. Sometimes when I rant about him, I am angry; other times, I am just severely annoyed - it's an important distinction. - Rick Mercer

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    And remember that Gracie Gold didn't qualify in Junior for Nationals last year (she was 6th at Midwestern Sectionals, behind her training mate, Lexis Verhulst, who is a contendor in Junior this year) and so was fortunate to be given a JGP assignment this fall.

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    I would hope if Gracie does well at Nationals and Junior Worlds that she goes Senior next year. It's nice to see a US lady who skates with power and has big jumps. Enough of the head cases who almost make you not want to watch them because you know they won't land their jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    I would hope if Gracie does well at Nationals and Junior Worlds that she goes Senior next year.
    I think that's a given no matter what happens the rest of this season (she turned 16 this past August). BTW, Gold's (jump) consistency in competition this season wasn't always the case -- she has worked to improve in this vital area.
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    Can't wait for the ladies short for COC!

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    I wonder if we're going to see a US lady on the podium here?

    I'm guessing not...

    http://thenakedice.blogspot.com/2011...edictions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    Yes, Wagner seems to be heading in the right direction...but just like doom-and-gloom over Nagasu, I think it is too soon in the season to start hyping up Wagner based only on what happened at SC...

    However, she does seem like one of the few Americans who actually WANT it...Czisny's demonstrating it by going for harder jumps in her FS, and Wagner has said she "wants it" for a few years and is just now beginning to show it (you could see the improvement in her skating, less rushed, more refined, stronger jumping)
    I would agree that it is too soon to tell anything from a competition in October. Nagasu has always had a slow start to the season and gets stronger as the season goes on, and Wagner has a history of starting out strong and fizzling out by US Nationals. It almost seems as if Wagner wants it so bad that when she gets to Nationals she tightens up and starts reverting back to the two footed landings and silly mistakes. Meanwhile, Nagasu has set expectations so low that by the time she gets to Nationals she's had a fire lit under her and expectations are such that she has an easier time dealing with the pressure. It will be interesting to see if the pattern continues.

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    A bit late to the party, but for the thread title (maybe for the next one?)….

    With apologies to Tom Jones….

    "They're all striving for 1st place, they've got style, they've got grace….US Ladies"

    ****

    In Mirai news, it seems that she cracked the heel of one of her skates . Poor kid, she just can't catch a break so far this season.

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    Hopefully this won't affect her too much..

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    I know Mirai wants to do well here, but really Nationals is more important. It's better to get her nerves out now, it's a new program, maybe with how she has been doing this will show her she needs to work extra hard. I hope she just skates her best this time, does all her spins, and skates with energy.

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    Nice job to Mirai for placing second in the SP right behind Carolina (and less than a point separating them)!

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    I think Nagasu should have been in the lead, but of course, Kostner with a hand down places above her. Makes it even more extraordinary that the SA judges didn't give Kostner the SA title...
    Last edited by RD; 11-04-2011 at 03:00 PM. Reason: fix a typo

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    Kostner did not fall.
    Adelina Sotnikova is the 2014 Olympic champion!

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