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    Quote Originally Posted by julieann View Post
    True but then you have skaters who try to get creative like changing the death spiral and the fans want to murder them with their own skate blades so the skaters really can't win.
    I like skaters being creative with the DS, but what I saw at SA was everyone was trying to do the almost the same thing- changing the hand, etc. to get more points. It is creditable when a skater comes up with his/her own move, instead of copying the mark getters. Pairs was my most favorite discipline. Now it is my least favorite because of what I am seeing- a lot of copying, ugly positions, not working on positions/lines/extensions even in moves like the lifts. That's not progress. It is regress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoopysnake View Post
    When Speedy gets up and moves out of the stands while someone is skating.


    Quote Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI View Post
    Side by side pair spirals where the girl's leg is way up in the air and the guy is struggling to get his leg to hip height.
    I hate this!! The girl has her leg at a 180 and the guy is just like "and I'm not flexible enough to do this"... it looks really bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by RumbleFish View Post
    Twizzles in general but side-by-side ones in ice dance in particular.
    It rarely works with music and looks ridiculous, especially when dancers do it while grabbing their blades.
    I hate SBS ice dance twizzles I've decided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoopysnake View Post
    When Speedy gets up and moves out of the stands while someone is skating.

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    Oh there are so many things to list. You have all said some really good ones and I guess most of mine are similar.

    I hate:

    1. Any Pairs lift that has a catch foot position or the woman has wonky bent up leg position. Please. So ugly! So unnecessary! It ruins the line of what could be a beautiful lift position.

    2. Any catch foot or switch of arm hold in a death spiral. Please make this stop. The positions are ugly, the man looks like he's trying to dislocate the girl's shoulder, and once the man switches arms the death spiral slows down so much it looks like he's dragging a large sack of dead fish across the ice.

    3. Pairs footwork sequences have become ridiculous. Sure make it tougher for them, but this is not ice dancing.

    4. I hate the circular SBS work required in ice dance this year.

    5. The dog peeing position on spirals is .

    6. The whole upper body emphasis on the footwork sequence for singles. Yes, Evan can flap his arms around. Plushenko can flail with the best of them. They all look like chickens trying to shake off their feathers during molting season.

    7. If you cannot do a proper Ina Bauer, do not even try it.

    8. What is that spin position called where the skater curls up in a ball like there is a Cold War bomb drill going on? Whatever it's called, I hate it.


    CoP is good in some ways, but IMO it has marred a lot of what was beautiful about skating. Or maybe I'm just really grumpy today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8tingfan View Post
    8. What is that spin position called where the skater curls up in a ball like there is a Cold War bomb drill going on? Whatever it's called, I hate it.
    I call it the "stuffed turkey" or "Butterball" spin, myself. And I hate it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI View Post
    I call it the "stuffed turkey" or "Butterball" spin, myself. And I hate it too.
    Haha! Stuffed turkey is just about right. We always call it "The Fox Hole" spin because it looks like the skater is waiting the grenade to go off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    I like skaters being creative with the DS, but what I saw at SA was everyone was trying to do the almost the same thing- changing the hand, etc. to get more points. It is creditable when a skater comes up with his/her own move, instead of copying the mark getters. Pairs was my most favorite discipline. Now it is my least favorite because of what I am seeing- a lot of copying, ugly positions, not working on positions/lines/extensions even in moves like the lifts. That's not progress. It is regress.
    Couldn't agree more...Pairs has been destroyed by CoP. 99% of sbs spins make me

    Back to the topic, there isn't any one move that I just plain hate, it's the way skaters perform the move that makes the difference. For example, when Sandhu did the "butt spin" it looked phenomenal. When everyone else does it...yuck. Irina Slutskaya and AP McDonough had gorgeous catchfoot laybacks in the 2000's, while Carolina Kostner's at SA last weekend was heinous. Yukari Nakano had a catch-camel that wouldn't quit, Ryan Bradley had one the made me wish he'd quit (skating). The list goes on and on.

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    The only thing that really bugs me is the dog pee spiral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frau Muller View Post
    Ladies: Catch-foot Biellman-looking spirals done by any woman who has zaftig thighs. In other words, I hate to see 'Virginia Hams' gliding across the ice.

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    I'll never be able to watch another catch foot spiral without picturing a trussed ham!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    I like skaters being creative with the DS, but what I saw at SA was everyone was trying to do the almost the same thing- changing the hand, etc. to get more points. It is creditable when a skater comes up with his/her own move, instead of copying the mark getters. Pairs was my most favorite discipline. Now it is my least favorite because of what I am seeing- a lot of copying, ugly positions, not working on positions/lines/extensions even in moves like the lifts. That's not progress. It is regress.


    That's exactly the problem with COP. It's like a regression and I HATE it. I have loved pairs skating forever, but it is almost unwatchable now.

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    There's nothing I really hate on every skater. In fact, it depends on the skater. If done beautifully, I even can like the dog peeing position on spiral. lol

    Anyway, one thing I hate on everyone is frantic moves during footworks, and too much posing in a program (so, you see I don't like Plushenko's or Amodio's style !)

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    OK, between the "stuffed turkeys" and the "Virginia hams," I'm getting really hungry.
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    Must vote for (=against) those two classics:

    A-spins. Makes me want to give whoever's doing one a good kick in the arse that is so kindly proffered.

    The "pissing dog spiral". Requires no explanation.

    And adding: any "gynecological lift" as frequently seen in ice-dance. Especially the one when the woman looks like she's strangling the guy between her thighs. Especially when performed by siblings.

    Any spin executed by Kevin Van Der Perren. And I mean executed as in "murdered".
    Touching the void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primorskaya View Post
    Must vote for (=against) those two classics:

    A-spins. Makes me want to give whoever's doing one a good kick in the arse that is so kindly proffered.

    The "pissing dog spiral". Requires no explanation.

    And adding: any "gynecological lift" as frequently seen in ice-dance. Especially the one when the woman looks like she's strangling the guy between her thighs. Especially when performed by siblings.

    Any spin executed by Kevin Van Der Perren. And I mean executed as in "murdered".

    :lol

    It's nice to see so many posters like to see nice extensions, and don't like the catch foot on just about everything. It really bothers me to see skaters completely ignoring positions/postures/lines/extensions. I don't care how many throws or jumps they land or how complex their lifts are if they cannot pay attention to these things that make skating so beautiful to watch. Also, it takes more skills to maintain those positions while executing difficult moves, so it's not just for the aesthetic reasons. That's a level of difficulty they are not getting credit for, so they just ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    :lol

    It's nice to see so many posters like to see nice extensions, and don't like the catch foot on just about everything. It really bothers me to see skaters completely ignoring positions/postures/lines/extensions. I don't care how many throws or jumps they land or how complex their lifts are if they cannot pay attention to these things that make skating so beautiful to watch. Also, it takes more skills to maintain those positions while executing difficult moves, so it's not just for the aesthetic reasons. That's a level of difficulty they are not getting credit for, so they just ignore it.
    This. If there was a provision of points for unison, matching lines and correct extension, and/or serious +GOE, pairs would become good again.
    This is the worst thing about COP, in all 4 categories, people are generally codewhoring with no regard for the overall look and feel of the programme. Slimy Morozov is a specialist, which is why he's going to be all over Team Russia all the way to Sochi, to my despair.
    We have a bean-counter's system that just ignores what isn't easy to quantify and that sucks.
    Touching the void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primorskaya View Post
    This. If there was a provision of points for unison, matching lines and correct extension, and/or serious +GOE, pairs would become good again.
    .....
    We have a bean-counter's system that just ignores what isn't easy to quantify and that sucks.
    Agreed. Maybe I'm just an old frumpty when it comes to this. Then again I try to imagine my favorite pair of all time Gordeeva and Grinkov contorting their beautiful lines and symmetry to get points and it sort of makes me want to cry.

    Don't get me started on the way they grade the "basic skating skills" either...

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