I was so mad yesterday,that I couldn't even comment on W/P's performance. I'm not saying that W/P were perfect,but the gap between their and B/S's score is ridiculous.
I checked and both, Sylwia NOWAK-TREBACKA and Alla SHEKHOVTSEVA, were also on the technical panel during Euros 2012 where B/S beat surprisingly P/B in the SD.
I knew W/P would have no chance with these two on the panel.
Speed shouldn't trump everything else . Only when two teams are otherwise equal , should that be the deciding factor.
Lovely FD by W/P today.. and on to the GPF..
Last edited by Pratfall; 11-23-2013 at 05:24 PM.
Does anyone have link to vid of BES both long and short programmes, please?
If you look at the two protocols, both GOE and PCS are nearly the same at Skate America and NHK, so I don't really see your case here.
That said, I agree there are two problems with the way the GP events are scored:
The calling of levels and URs has gotten far too inconsistent from one event to another. Some of that may be politiks, but I suspect a lot of it is just individual variation, kind of like baseball umpires all having their own interpretation of the strike zone. And I suppose there may be some combination of the two - does the host federation have any input in which officials the ISU assigns to their events?
Either way, there are definitely some callers who seem consistently more stringent than others. IMO, the ISU needs to focus more on continuous retraining to try to keep them all more consistent, and maybe even weed out the ones who are too often off from the majority.
The second issue I have always seen as problematic is that the six GP host countries get to choose who judges at their events. IMO, this has conflict of interest written all over it.
Last edited by Susan M; 11-23-2013 at 06:33 PM.
I dont have that much of a problem with some callers being strict and some being lenient as long as they apply the same standards to everyone - that's why people tell you not to compare scores between competitions. I agree with you - in a perfect world everyone would call the same way - but when people are involved, I doubt you can achieve that standard.
The heart of the problem for me isnt the level calling - it's the GOE. And Im not just talking about one competition. Many, MANY times you can see badly done elements getting positive GOE - along with all kinds of excuses for why. This is my pet peeve - if anything needs to be re-looked at, it's this.
Far too many judges are waaaayyy too lenient with their GOEs.
From the announcement:
7.2 ISU Appointed Officials
The ISU President will appoint all Officials (Referees, Technical Controllers, Technical Specialists, Assistant Technical Specialists, Data & Replay Operators, OAC members) for each individual event and the Final in accordance with the 2012 Regulations.
The ISU Secretariat will inform the Organizing Committees of the names of the Officials assigned to their events. No changes will be accepted unless confirmed by the ISU Secretariat.
7.3 Panel of Judges
The panel of Judges in each individual event of the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating will consist of 9 Judges of different ISU Members in each discipline if possible, but not less than 7 Judges. Only International or ISU Judges are eligible to serve in the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events. Each Judge may participate in no more than two ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events plus the ISU Grand Prix of Skating Final. The Organizing ISU Members will invite the Judges based on a procedure agreed with the ISU.
I have never understood why all the non-GP countries are OK with this.
I agree. One of the changes I would like to see made is to eliminate the good-bad offsetting BS. If an element has an error, the judges should be required to give GOE no greater than zero. The ISU does now specify certain kinds of errors that require the GOE to be in the minus, but for others it just specifies an amount of deduction, which can be offset if the element included qualities that would have earned a plus. It just seems wacky that we ever see an element with GOE ranging from -2 to +2.Many, MANY times you can see badly done elements getting positive GOE - along with all kinds of excuses for why.
Last edited by Susan M; 11-24-2013 at 12:37 AM.
They performed their SD better, IMO, but they didn't skate it better technically.
I don't understand why we are discussing pro's and cons of D/W marks in this thread. Would just like to say I enjoyed Kaitlyn and Andrews performances of both SD and FD. I find I like them better than B/S, but realize that's just my preference.
Their tango is my favorite FD in this season. Amazing!
Finally saw their FD and they skated it so well. Twizzles aside, the performance just sucks you in. It's unfortunate their second GP had to be Rostelecom.
I think it's one of my favorite tango FDs.
On a lighter note, though my feelings are sort of tepid regarding the woman commentator on Eurosport , I got such a giggle out of her succumbing to Poje Power...freely adimitting that she couldn't take her eyes off him, and going on at length about it ... ( he does make a very fine tango man )
It fell to Nicky ( was it Nicky?) to try cover by offering up a few inanities, such as, well, when you can only watch the man , you know it's working ..(um...what, exactly , is working?) ..before adding that he saw them as a couple , or something like that.
She also does not even remember the names of certain skaters. Nicky sounds a bit annoyed with her.
Back to COR. I thought W/P should have won the Gold. B/S were slightly better for me on the SD but W/P were way better on the free. I thought B/S should have been behind C/B in the free.
Also, what were B/S wearing ?!. Just awful.