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    I have mixed feelings. W/P had much better programs this year than last and have boosted their musical interpretation a lot. They have gotten their levels up and are maxing them out so they are good there. Plus they are so freakin hot, how can you not root for 'em?

    But two things concern me:
    1. I don't find them to be as adept on the blade as some other pairs in terms of handling complex footwork and choreo. Their edges are deep but they seem to be careful skaters to me. Their twizzles are careful and slow compared to others. They have compensated by upping their musical interpretation.
    2. The top 8 or so entries are bunching up in the marks and I'm not 100% sure why. The devil in me thinks it's the gradual process to create a changing of the guard in dance. I say that diplomatically. I don't think we'll see 3 NA teams on the podium in Sochi so something's going to give. I just have a feeling that W/P will be passed and likely by a Russian team if not also by others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock2 View Post
    2. The top 8 or so entries are bunching up in the marks and I'm not 100% sure why. The devil in me thinks it's the gradual process to create a changing of the guard in dance. I say that diplomatically. I don't think we'll see 3 NA teams on the podium in Sochi so something's going to give. I just have a feeling that W/P will be passed and likely by a Russian team if not also by others.
    I actually think it is Davis & White they are preparing to give the shaft too. I could see D&W experience what Belbin & Agosto did at their 2nd Olympics. I see W&P and 1 or 2 Russian teams passing them by Sochi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock2 View Post
    I have mixed feelings. W/P had much better programs this year than last and have boosted their musical interpretation a lot. They have gotten their levels up and are maxing them out so they are good there. Plus they are so freakin hot, how can you not root for 'em?

    But two things concern me:
    1. I don't find them to be as adept on the blade as some other pairs in terms of handling complex footwork and choreo. Their edges are deep but they seem to be careful skaters to me. Their twizzles are careful and slow compared to others. They have compensated by upping their musical interpretation.
    2. The top 8 or so entries are bunching up in the marks and I'm not 100% sure why. The devil in me thinks it's the gradual process to create a changing of the guard in dance. I say that diplomatically. I don't think we'll see 3 NA teams on the podium in Sochi so something's going to give. I just have a feeling that W/P will be passed and likely by a Russian team if not also by others.
    1. I tend to agree.

    2. This is a really fascinating discussion. I think that might be the intent (prevent a North American sweep) but bunching up the marks actually might accomplish the opposite - vis-a-vis levels becoming a heck of a lot more determinative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sequins View Post
    Do you think there's any chance W/P would stay on until after Sochi? Not sure I've really heard them discuss their 'plan' but it would be nice if they did. At least for a one or two more seasons to get that World Title.
    As I recall, their big dream had been to attend the Olympics. That is why they were very dissappointed when they didn't make the Vancouver 2010 team. According to this recent interview, they appear to have updated their dreams to include winning Olympics and World medals, and touring with Stars on Ice. It seems they are getting the CSOI goal this year. Barring injury, I seriously doubt there is any chance they would choose to skip Sochi.


    http://fskating.com/2012/03/kaitlyn-...pic-medal.html
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    Andrew: "I am currently working towards a degree in Biomedical science"

    Good looking, talented AND smart - can he be anymore swoon-worthy?

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    They already allowed a NA sweep with the Shibutanis of all people so I think they would definitely allow it to happen again. I think they were willing to have it happen in Vancouver except they didnt like Belbin & Agosto much by that point, and felt even subpar Domnina & Shabalin were better.

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    Luckily, Weaver and Poje are under the "own the podium" program... they are getting financial assistance from the government to help them excel further. (virtue/moir, duhamel/radford, and chan are also under otp)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock2 View Post
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    I don't find them to be as adept on the blade as some other pairs in terms of handling complex footwork and choreo. Their edges are deep but they seem to be careful skaters to me. Their twizzles are careful and slow compared to others. They have compensated by upping their musical interpretation.
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    I agree, and this is why I thought P&B definitely deserved the bronze. To me, the difference in their skating skills was clear, and this affects many aspects of the total score. But, I also wonder how much of a confidence boost this season will give them, given how consistent they were and how much attention/respect they received from the skating community. They seem to be building their confidence, and once that is there, skaters are better able to push themselves and explore their skills, imo. They are young, hard-working, and have a great training environment. I'd like to think anything is possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    I actually think it is Davis & White they are preparing to give the shaft too. I could see D&W experience what Belbin & Agosto did at their 2nd Olympics. I see W&P and 1 or 2 Russian teams passing them by Sochi.
    I'm not saying DW won't get shafted. But it won't be W/P that'll pass D/W simply because V/M's still not retired yet. But a russian team pass them by is a lot more plausible. It's ice dancing. Unless there's major mistakes by top teams. It's like D/W waited longer to get to the top than V/M because B/A was there for many more years than D/L.

    Although in my heart, I really really really want W/P to get on the podium next year and get to the top in 2014. I can dream haha!

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    With russian team you mean I-K, right? Next year with worlds in canada, i don't think judges will have the nerve to place them ahead of WP. And i guess PB are not retiring, so a repeat of 5th is likely. The thing is, they could surpass WP..politically, but what about PB, who are far more experienced and established? Maybe the key will be to see if they retire,leaving the door open for the russians. Doesn't Russia want a medal in each discipline?

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    Rightly or wrongly there seems to be a fair amount of negative press surrounding P/B lately. I think with no more major events in France, Worlds in Canada, and Olympics in Russia, it leaves the door wide open for them to be dumped well down should they continue, especialy as the younger teams will keep improving and they likely are peaked.

    I also dont think the existence of V/M prevents W/P from the possability of passing D/W or moving up. I dont think the judges have any problem with 2 Canadian medalists (or 3 NA medalists) if the teams are good enough. They already allowed 3 NA medalists and 2 American medalists at the 2011 Worlds and that was with an IMHO rather blah juniorish team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Rightly or wrongly there seems to be a fair amount of negative press surrounding P/B lately. I think with no more major events in France, Worlds in Canada, and Olympics in Russia, it leaves the door wide open for them to be dumped well down should they continue, especialy as the younger teams will keep improving and they likely are peaked.

    I also dont think the existence of V/M prevents W/P from the possability of passing D/W or moving up. I dont think the judges have any problem with 2 Canadian medalists (or 3 NA medalists) if the teams are good enough. They already allowed 3 NA medalists and 2 American medalists at the 2011 Worlds and that was with an IMHO rather blah juniorish team.
    That happened only because of the major mistakes by the other teams supposedly to be ahead of Shibutanis. And i said earlier that unless major mistakes happen, that won't happen.

    As far as P/B, i totally agree that they are likely to be dumped. IMO, the podium at sochi will be 1 canadian team, 1 american team, and 1 russian team again, but the placement is unsure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukari Lepisto View Post
    That happened only because of the major mistakes by the other teams supposedly to be ahead of Shibutanis. And i said earlier that unless major mistakes happen, that won't happen.

    As far as P/B, i totally agree that they are likely to be dumped. IMO, the podium at sochi will be 1 canadian team, 1 american team, and 1 russian team again, but the placement is unsure.
    P/B were the only ones to make a major mistake at the 2011 Worlds. They certainly didnt have to give the Shibutanis the bronze, they could have easily given it to Weaver & Poje, a Russian team, or even still to Pechalat & Bourzat considering their PCS and protocal were far beyond the others behind at that point and they managed to beat those others I mentioned anyway. They still chose to go with the Shibutanis.

    If they are willing to do that for the Shibutanis I have no doubt they would be willing to do that for Weaver & Poje, be it putting 2 Canadian teams on the podium, putting 3 NA teams on the podium, or even dropping Davis & White.

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    ^^ Why not dropping V/M??

    And I'm sure the judges all learned by now, as we can tell from this year's worlds. won't be two teams from the same country on the podium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukari Lepisto View Post
    ^^ Why not dropping V/M??
    Since they are really the best team and the hardest to drop. Plus they are the judges favorite team too. Unless they make a major mistake like the GP final or are coming off an injury like Worlds last year they wont lose anytime again until their likely retirement after the 2014 season IMHO. That or they make the bold move to leave the Sphilband camp and it backfires Sphilband and Zoueva start to politik hard against them.

    With Worlds being in Ontario next year I will be shocked if Weaver & Poje dont win atleast the bronze, barring a major error. Whether that means a NA sweep or not it will happen IMO.

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    ^^ Judges fav. I agree. Best team, hell no, I for one, think W/P are way better than V/M and more ice-dancy. There's this emotion and passion that V/M just lack, Tessa just smiles in all their programs.

    But just watch, they won't win olympics again in Sochi, who will win i'm not sure though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukari Lepisto View Post
    ^^ Judges fav. I agree. Best team, hell no.

    But just watch, they won't win olympics again in Sochi, who will win i'm not sure though.
    Technically they might not be the best team anymore (Davis & White probably are now) but artistically they are definitely the strongest team at this point IMO. Who knows, maybe someone new would win in Sochi, and who knows if that would be Davis & White, a Russian team, or even Weaver & Poje (anyone but the Shibutanis, if that happens I think I will barf). I just dont agree the judges will not allow 3 NA teams or 2 Canadian teams on the podium. I could see either of those happening, especiay the latter. Especialy at Worlds in Canada next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Technically they might not be the best team anymore (Davis & White probably are now) but artistically they are definitely the strongest team at this point IMO. Who knows, maybe someone new would win in Sochi, and who knows if that would be Davis & White, a Russian team, or even Weaver & Poje (anyone but the Shibutanis, if that happens I think I will barf). I just dont agree the judges will not allow 3 NA teams or 2 Canadian teams on the podium. I could see either of those happening, especiay the latter. Especialy at Worlds in Canada next year.
    I seriously don't understand how V/M are the most artistic team, as Tessa just smiles in all their program. while team like W/P bring out the raw emotions and passion. how is that nor better artistically? and bring people to tears with their programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukari Lepisto View Post
    I seriously don't understand how V/M are the most artistic team, as Tessa just smiles in all their program. while team like W/P bring out the raw emotions and passion. how is that nor better artistically? and bring people to tears with their programs.
    OK let me reword myself. Between Virtue & Moir and Davis & White I think D&W have surpassed V&M technically (even though the scores dont really reflect that) but V&M are still stronger than D&W artistically. I agree that Weaver & Poje probably had the artistically best programs and performances of all the teams at Worlds, but predictably werent really rewarded for it. With Worlds in Ontario next year I dont see how they cant be if they skate as well and keep improving though, atleast enough to get a medal.

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    Well I certainly hope you're right about them on the podium next year! However, i still think being Canadian #2 plays a major factor. If they were canadian #1 this year, they'd be on the podium for sure. as many thought they should've placed ahead of P/B anyways. Of course home crowd played a huge factor, but being canadian #2 also a big factor. IMO

    Remember D/W at 2009 worlds? That worlds was in USA. i think you get my point.

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