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    This year's SD: Compulsory dance less well integrated?

    Now that I've seen this year's SD routines from quite a number of top dancers, including V&M, the compulsory segment looks badly pasted in for all of the couples. I don't remember it looking this "fake" last year, and I wonder why it doesn't seem to fit at all well this year?

    I rather liked the new SD format before now. Are there some rhythms that just fit better than others, or is this more of an "early season" issue -- or a figment of my imagination?

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    I personally don't feel that the Rhumba was a good compulsory for a SD. The Golden Waltz had more highlight moves and seemed less, well, compulsory. Every time I see the Rhumba segments, they seem really obvious and not like there was a possibility that they are part of the choreography.

    I also dislike the fact that the segments can be broken up and not done consecutively.
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    funny that this should come up - it is exactly what I wrote yesterday in the Junior Grand Prix forum:
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...&postcount=171

    "What bothers me so much about the SD this year is that very few couples (at least on the Junior scene) seem to make a smooth transition from the compulsory part to the free part. It is always this relief - ha, finished and now we can rock - moment after one compulsory part that bugs me a lot.
    It shouldn't be that noticeable and just shows how much more difficult the part is for most couples and that they really slow down in it."

    so, yeah. I agree.

    I also hate that the pattern can be broken up in two parts. Not only is it easier that way but it also disrupts the dance even more.

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    I blame the "breaking into 2 parts" rules too.. BAD IDEA.

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    I honestly had the opposite reaction watching some of this year's SDs. Granted I've only watched 3 or 4 of them, but I found the compulsory sections better integrated and because the 2 patterns could be split, I found it to be much less of "original dance... okay now we have to do this compulsory... wooo now we can do what we want again". I found the choreo a lot less predictable.

    I do agree that the rhumba steps are simple compared to what couples are generally doing in the rest of this SD, so yes, those sections do stand out... but I never really thought of it as a bad thing.

    Overall, really enjoying the SDs this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen View Post
    I personally don't feel that the Rhumba was a good compulsory for a SD. The Golden Waltz had more highlight moves and seemed less, well, compulsory. Every time I see the Rhumba segments, they seem really obvious and not like there was a possibility that they are part of the choreography.

    I also dislike the fact that the segments can be broken up and not done consecutively.
    This is exactly why I don't like them this season. That and the fact that very few couples display a Latin feel.

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    Honestly I have seen any senior SDs but I have seen some of the Junior. I think the Cha Cha works okay because there are lots of steps in it. The Golden Waltz is also a very steppy dance. And both dances move in and out from the barrier to the midline. Also those dances take time getting around.

    But probably with the Rhumba, you have very few steps which cover a lot of ice in pretty much a straight line, and it really is only a half ice dance (one sequence is half the ice). Plus it probabably only take approximately 10 seconds to do one sequence of the ice. So only 20-25 seconds of your whole dance will be the CD part. The Golden Waltz is much longer (probably a minute to get around the whole dance).

    So without actually having seen it, I can totally understand why it would look weird.
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    I don't like the SD in general. It's very much a want-your-cake-and-eat-it-too type decisions.

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    The ISU don't care that it's badly pasted on, it's just an excuse to eventually get rid of the compulsory totally. We will eventually get a communication that says that the compulsory is not working in the OD and they will erase it totally.

    It was the same lame excuse the ISU used to get rid of the compulsory dance segment. They said it was the IOC who wanted a shorter skating schedule, which everyone knew was b.s. So concerened were the IOC by the length of the skating events that they went and accepted a whole team competition lol!

    If there was any serious thought of keeping the compulsory semi alive, it would be 4 sequences of the rumba, not 2, and certainly not split apart. The whole skill of the dance lies in the pattern repetition and having the strength with such few steps to keep the speed, edging and pattern going.

    Finally what are these absurd 'levels' attributed to the patterns?? Why couldn't the dance just have a base value with GOEs, why do we have to invent these silly rules to glue some fabricated levels onto a compulsory dance? The whole thing is ludicrous.
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    ^ I totally agree.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Ditto

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    I couldn't believe how poorly integrated the first CD sequence is in V&M's OD.

    They're freaking Olympic champions and the best they can do is awkwardly shove a Rhumba sequence into the opening of last year's FD?

    I have yet to see D&W and P&B, but what I've seen from V&M, S&S, B&S, I&K, R&T, etc is really uninspiring.

    At least last year there was some variety and originality in the approach teams took with the waltz.

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    I just watched V&M's SD and I felt the biggest issue with the Rhumba parts was they absolutely added nothing at all to the dance. At least a dance like the Golden Waltz can really test the skaters but it did work as a part of the SD. But incorporating the Rhumba here makes it look like it was thrown in as an afterthought. And when you have the complexity of all the other elements and choreography, it just slows down the pace and feeling and actually doesn't mean anything.

    Here is V&M's SD.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXS1h_wmduE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    But incorporating the Rhumba here makes it look like it was thrown in as an afterthought. And when you have the complexity of all the other elements and choreography, it just slows down the pace and feeling and actually doesn't mean anything.
    I think this was a concern when the senior pattern dance was announced this year. The ice dance version of the Rhumba is so different from the ballroom version, that it just doesn't seem to integrate well into a latin program. It's surprising to see such low level calls as well from some of the top teams.

    I kind of like the junior SD's better with the Cha Cha Congelado.

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    The Rhumba looks awkward in ice dancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoralReef View Post
    I think this was a concern when the senior pattern dance was announced this year. The ice dance version of the Rhumba is so different from the ballroom version, that it just doesn't seem to integrate well into a latin program. It's surprising to see such low level calls as well from some of the top teams.

    I kind of like the junior SD's better with the Cha Cha Congelado.
    I agree about the Cha Cha. It has a lot more meat to it and the skaters can really attack it and give it something.

    As for calling it with levels, what's to call? The main highlight of the dance is the choctaw (which is what makes it difficult as a compulsory) but there is probably not a lot else. But any senior team should make it look easy through.

    I think regardless of how much I felt it doesn't work, I did think V&M did those sections very well. They are such good ice dancers.
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    I thought the non-touching circular step sequence could include the skaters crossing each other - weaving in and out between each other (as we sometimes see in the non-touching midline) - but I haven't seen any SDs with that just yet. Maybe it's too hard for skaters to do that in a circular pattern?

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    Quote Originally Posted by literaryfreak View Post
    I thought the non-touching circular step sequence could include the skaters crossing each other - weaving in and out between each other (as we sometimes see in the non-touching midline) - but I haven't seen any SDs with that just yet. Maybe it's too hard for skaters to do that in a circular pattern?
    Ooh that could be amazing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by literaryfreak View Post
    I thought the non-touching circular step sequence could include the skaters crossing each other - weaving in and out between each other (as we sometimes see in the non-touching midline) - but I haven't seen any SDs with that just yet. Maybe it's too hard for skaters to do that in a circular pattern?
    Here you go http://www.youtube.com/user/Tatjana2...41/MyozuMcwAUc, starts at about 1:13. I imagine it is more difficult for the skaters to judge the spacing between them when it's in a circular pattern. For the higher scores, I think the judges look for the team to maintain a close distance and not drift more than 2 arm lengths away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammi View Post
    Here you go http://www.youtube.com/user/Tatjana2...41/MyozuMcwAUc, starts at about 1:13. I imagine it is more difficult for the skaters to judge the spacing between them when it's in a circular pattern. For the higher scores, I think the judges look for the team to maintain a close distance and not drift more than 2 arm lengths away.
    Thank you! I love how it looks here, with them skating in huge curves through each other's paths, even if they are a bit too far apart at times. Perhaps my favorite circular step sequence I've seen so far. I see why most teams would avoid it. Still, I would love to see a top senior team attempt something like this - I think it would really show off bladework skills.

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