Viktor was my fave going into the Olympics. He won both Skate America and Nation's Cup. I still would have had him first in the LP.
Dmitriev gets special mention for winning OGM's with two different partners
The Protopopovs were prevented from even trying for another medal by being dumped nationally, behind Rodnina/Ulanov and Moskvina/Mishin.
In Ice Dance, the pattern for the Russian and Soviet teams from 1976-1992, until was "Win and Out". There were only two teams from 1976-1994 that ever surpassed another Russian/Soviet team in the hierarchy: Moiseeva/Minenkov (second to Pakhomova/Gorshkov in 1976, third behind Linichuk/Karposonov' gold in 1980), and Usova/Zhulin (second behind Gritshuk/Platov in 1994, although their silver was higher than the bronze they got in 1992).
Not every third Russian team made it to the next Olympics (Volozhinskaya/Svinin in 1984, Annenko/Sretenski in 1988), and in 1994 Krylova was partnered with Federov before winning silver with Ovsiannikov in 1998.
I wonder why there were athletes in other disciplines that were encouraged to try to repeat, but not so much in Ice Dance.
"The team doesn't get automatic capacity because management is mad" -- Greg Smith, agile guy
I think that we only have one ice dancing couples with two OGMs just because most of the ice dancers finally won the Olympics very late in their careers.So it was natural that they'd retire after winning the Olympics.Linichuk/Karponosov tried to stay,but lost immediately after winning their olympic gold.Moiseeva/Minenkov had a very strange career.They won when Pakhomova/Gorshkov had basically retired,the latter came back for Olympics and then instead of moving ahead,were surpassed by Linichuk/Karponosov.
I used to be angry abou it having read about how great M/M were and all that,until I saw their programs.They were beautiful skaters but they'd either have a wonderful program or a really atrocious one.I think they were a team that , at least for me, were very reminiscent of U/Z later on.
Grischuk/Platov were very young when they won,and they were very lucky,with the Olympics being in the middle of the 4 year cycle.If the Olympics had taken place in 1996, they'd probably have only one olympic title.
yes it is.
i am wondering if was easier back then due to less media coverage, than it is now.
i am not talking about jumps, back then they could train with minimium coverage by media and fans, nowadays not so "lucky"
[QUOTE=Mafke;3271471]It was more than just Trenary, there was a whole generation of ladies who'd spent years training for the sport as they knew it - figures and a few different triples (toe loop, salchow and a third triple usually a loop or flip) who were whacked in the knees (figuratively) by the ISU's decision to junk figures and the simultaneous pressure to develop a full set of five triples when most of them were too old to realistically try.
Jill was the poster girl but there was also Cadavy, Holly Cook, Jerri Campbell, Patricia Neske and a lot more. I just hope that if any of them ever meet Sonia Bianchetti in person they'd throw a drink in her face.... (I certainly would).
Ironically within a few years the ISU had ladies with shocking lacks in their basic skills (and who desperately needed the skills that figures could have given them) like Bonaly and Baiul on the podiums.[/QUOTE]
Baiul's basics were superior to Bonaly. She may have been lacking in jump combinations-but that was NOT 'shocking' compared to Bonaly who I am sorry to say could not skate between her muscled jumps. I will never ever forget how one journalist (perhaps in Sports Illustrated?) put it years ago-he said that between the jumps Bonaly 'looks like she's skating on double runners'. The woman went into jumps even a lutz almost on a flat edge. It was downright impressive that she got them into the air and landed them fugly as they often looked. Her jumps had no flow, I remember Scott pointing out (as he did for the much better skater Irina Slutskaya) that Surya telegraphed her jumps 'she stops, brakes, THEN goes into her jumps'.
In comparison Oksana had GORGEOUS flow and great speed across the ice especially on jumps like the lutz which was quite a strong one for her.
I saw a few pictures of the skates they wore in the late 19th or early 20th century. I don't know how they were able to achieve precision in them. Impressive!
More recently whenever I complained (and I am not a competition skater at all) about the ice being bad, my coach always told me that he had skated on much worse ice. :lol
Bonaly decided to reinvent skating as a kind of running. From her point of view she was operating within the rules (and if the ISU really cared about technique why get rid of figures?) and probably didn't understand a lot of the criticism.
I always wondered how Oksana would have fared if she had been born in a country with much better facilities and coaches then the Ukraine had. She certainly didn't have the advantages that someone like Nancy Kerrigan had for instance. The Ukraine was not exactly a rich country even when they were a part of the old Soviet Union as a republic of the old USSR. I think she had the potential to be great.
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Baiul had wonderful flow and skills. She was a skater foremost, but also a dancer in the kindest sense. She could have picked up a bracket, choctaw, whatever in a few minutes, please.
Bonaly was always a WTF to me. Okay, so she didn't have innate musicality, well, FAKE IT like every other junior princess does. I blame it on the French Fed, Didier Gailhaguet in particular who was either her coach or spokesperson or pimp, whatevs. But what disappointed me the most, was that she was an athlete, had full body awareness and was really world class no matter what sport she chose. I only wish she had used that OCD that landed her soooo many 3toes and 3sals to have learned how to use her edges. If she had edges and flow on her blade, she would have won numerous world titles, I'm sure. I'm not sure why the French Fed cannot see the lack of skating skills in their program. They seem to reward the awful 'skaters' but the weird ass performers. But then again, the international judges were smoking crack or just cowtowed to Didier when they always favored Phil Candeloro over a true skater like Eric Millot.
Can anyone watch 1995 Birmingham and believe Phil was better than Eric? Well, the judges did. Total politik. It's just inherent in the corrupt system.