View Poll Results: Which 2010 Olympic champion has the best chance of winning the OGM in 2014?

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  • Yu na Kim

    33 17.65%
  • Evan Lysacek

    13 6.95%
  • Virtue & Moir

    105 56.15%
  • None

    36 19.25%
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    Quote Originally Posted by millipied View Post
    To answer the question, only Plushenko.
    I love Plushenko, but he was not the 2010 Oly champion (I wish he was).

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    I can't answer !
    I have absolutely no idea of how well all those Olympic champions will skate this year...so, I can't see anything in 3 years !

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    I think nobody. 2010 OG champions have so many injuries - Yu-Na have problems with her back (if she were healthy i amd sure she will fight with Mao for gold in Sochi again), Tessa-legs, Evan - so many problems...
    And who knbow, what will happened during next 3 years?

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    I think Yuna has a great chance if she gets her back in the game. I like Evan, but I am not sure he can compete with some of the current skaters. He is know as a hard worker so maybe he can.

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    I don't think Yuna will come back for next Olympic. I saw her exhibition skating of this year's Worlds. I think I have never seen such an absent-minded skating before even at exhibitions. Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing, so don't me. It's just my impression, and I felt she had no intention to interpret the music there. She was just skating through the music and she looked like she had no interest in how the audience was feeling and how the audience would respond. She looked like she was just doing her duty. I felt that her passion for figure skating might have been decreasing.

    Yuna was fantastic at Vancouber Olympics. She was the queen back then. But IMO she peaked at the Olympics and is now going downhill little by little. Maybe she is too busy outside the rink. Maybe she is interested in many other things than fs. Even her show programs are not so impressive. (again it's MO, so don't me.) For me it's hard to predict that we will see her again at the next Olympics. But that's just my impression, people, so don't me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galaxy View Post
    I don't think Yuna will come back for next Olympic. I saw her exhibition skating of this year's Worlds. I think I have never seen such an absent-minded skating before even at exhibitions. Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing, so don't me. It's just my impression, and I felt she had no intention to interpret the music there. She was just skating through the music and she looked like she had no interest in how the audience was feeling and how the audience would respond. She looked like she was just doing her duty. I felt that her passion for figure skating might have been decreasing.
    Just for arguement's sake, Yuna had a small injury on her right foot after her short program, and right before gala started, she's had a pain-killer. Maybe this factor is more likely to be the reason for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by l'etoile View Post
    Just for arguement's sake, Yuna had a small injury on her right foot after her short program, and right before gala started, she's had a pain-killer. Maybe this factor is more likely to be the reason for that?
    Really ? I thought it was because she didn't win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by briancoogaert View Post
    Really ? I thought it was because she didn't win.
    Well I don't know the whole story, but there was some articles about her fatigue after the competition finished and how she skated the free program with her ankle hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by l'etoile View Post
    Well I don't know the whole story, but there was some articles about her fatigue after the competition finished and how she skated the free program with her ankle hurt.
    Yes, she did have it. But team YuNa knew what would happen when they revealed that she's not in a good shape. She also had it in Vancouver but NVR told it to anyone. I bet if it's known to public in advance, some may quarrel with it.

    IIRC, Opening skater's injury to public before competition had never helped him/her/them in any case in skating history.
    This too will pass away.

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    if virture and moir goes i see them repeating, as first
    however i can also see none make it to the next olympics 2014

    so it would be
    1) virture and moir provided they go
    2) none -most likely none will go to the olympics,
    evan-doing tours, and whatnot.
    virture and moir doing the same
    yu-na -doing skating shows, charity events, etc
    3j) evan winning if he goes.

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    Virtue/Moir if nothing slows them down and they choose to go for a second Olympics.

    Yuna seems to be out of shape but most of all she seems to have lost her competitive drive.

    Evan can't possibly win unless Chan and others don't make it to Sochi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    Virtue/Moir if nothing slows them down and they choose to go for a second Olympics.

    Yuna seems to be out of shape but most of all she seems to have lost her competitive drive.

    Evan can't possibly win unless Chan and others don't make it to Sochi.



    About Chan, I agree, but who are the 'others'? I don't see anyone on the horizon right now that can be good and consistent. Evan won because he did not make a mistake (omitting the quad certainly helped). I am not convinced yet that Chan can handle the Olympic pressure. May be he can, may be not. IMO Evan has as much chance of winning as other skaters in the field, and I am not anywhere close to being his fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    [/B]

    About Chan, I agree, but who are the 'others'? I don't see anyone on the horizon right now that can be good and consistent. Evan won because he did not make a mistake (omitting the quad certainly helped). I am not convinced yet that Chan can handle the Olympic pressure. May be he can, may be not. IMO Evan has as much chance of winning as other skaters in the field, and I am not anywhere close to being his fan.
    Kozuka will be easily better than a 28 year old Lysacek by Sochi. Even Kozuka's LP from Worlds would have blown away Evan's from Vancouver, as the point total differential (huge) also suggests. Of course with the weak SP it would have been close between the two but Kozuka will have better SPs than that in the future, and can also improve alot more while Evan has already peaked. There are alot of good young skaters coming up who were doing quads and will improve artistically in the coming years.

    Also if the field was so weak by Sochi that 28 year old Evan were even one of Chan's biggest competitors Chan wouldnt need to worry about Olympic pressure since that would just mean he still has the same 5 or 6 fall cushion he has now. You may think Evan has as much chance to win as the others on this list but you are in the vast minority as the poll indicates.

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    If V&M are motivated and remain healthy they have the most potential of the three choices but three years is a long time so I don't think there'll be any repeats.

    Also think it's far too early to be even debating men. The wear and tear on their bodies over the next three years skating CoP programs AND trying to add quads the 2014 OGM is just as likely someone not even on our radar yet, will probably meet him some time in 2013.
    Tessa and Scott: Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Kozuka will be easily better than a 28 year old Lysacek by Sochi. Even Kozuka's LP from Worlds would have blown away Evan's from Vancouver, as the point total differential (huge) also suggests. Of course with the weak SP it would have been close between the two but Kozuka will have better SPs than that in the future, and can also improve alot more while Evan has already peaked. There are alot of good young skaters coming up who were doing quads and will improve artistically in the coming years.

    Also if the field was so weak by Sochi that 28 year old Evan were even one of Chan's biggest competitors Chan wouldnt need to worry about Olympic pressure since that would just mean he still has the same 5 or 6 fall cushion he has now. You may think Evan has as much chance to win as the others on this list but you are in the vast minority as the poll indicates.
    Kozuka has the talent and room to improve. We have not yet seen if he can respond to pressure. So I am not putting him in the same group as those who have won world titles yet. I would love to see him develop. I am sure Japan has some more young men that could develop too.

    I did not realize Lysacek would be 28 by 2014. That is 'old' for FS, though Plush did fine at age 27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    [/B]About Chan, I agree, but who are the 'others'? I don't see anyone on the horizon right now that can be good and consistent.
    I was thinking of Kozuka, Gachinski and why not Amodio, Morozov promises his student has two different quads in his bag and we will see both of them next season.

    Sure we can build all sorts of scenarios such as Chan won't be able to handle the pressure, Kozuka won't confirm, Gachinski will catch a flu like Yagudin in '98 and so on but in my understanding, this poll is about which of the 2010 champions might win a new gold based on what we saw last season, our own perceptions of their levels and how much we think they and other skaters can grow and improve. In other words, it isn't anything like a crystal ball, so maybe if you start a new poll on the topic next summer, you will get different results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    I was thinking of Kozuka, Gachinski and why not Amodio, Morozov promises his student has two different quads in his bag and we will see both of them next season.

    Sure we can build all sorts of scenarios such as Chan won't be able to handle the pressure, Kozuka won't confirm, Gachinski will catch a flu like Yagudin in '98 and so on but in my understanding, this poll is about which of the 2010 champions might win a new gold based on what we saw last season, our own perceptions of their levels and how much we think they and other skaters can grow and improve. In other words, it isn't anything like a crystal ball, so maybe if you start a new poll on the topic next summer, you will get different results.
    I am aware of that. Our perceptions WILL change, leading upto Sochi,and it is fun to see how they change. Right now everyone is crowning Chan as the next Olympic champion, but anything can happen. That is why I am not counting out Lysacek.

    V&M are winning this poll by a huge margin, and I voted for them too, but I just have a feeling that they may not even be around in 2014. If they lose the 2012 worlds, they may decide not to stick around, particularly if the injuries are persistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    I did not realize Lysacek would be 28 by 2014. That is 'old' for FS, though Plush did fine at age 27.
    Plushenko went from winning by 27 points in 2006 to losing by 1 point in Vancouver. Evan was never winning major events by 27 points, a similar 30 point drop off vs the younger field would leave him in about 7th-10th place.

    I dont expect Evan to even bother trying to compete in Sochi anyway. If he even follows through in his comeback this season he will bail after this season of mediocre results and finishing behind Chan by 40 points in any head to head meetings. If he isnt right up with Chan (and he wont be) he isnt going to sacrifice Stars on Ice and his current life of luxury when he already has all the major amateur titles.

    PS- While I do expect Chan to win the next Olympic Gold (and not because I am a fan since truthfully I dislike him even more than Lysacek, I just a realist on things regardless if I am a fan), I do agree he isnt a mortal lock. Things can change in 3 years. All I know is that if someone does beat him it will likely be a young up and comer (eg- probably not even Kozuka either, but someone as young as Chan or younger). It wont be a skater with a clearly inferior skill set to someone like Chan in every respect, who is aging and already peaked (eg- Lysacek).
    Last edited by judgejudy27; 08-27-2011 at 10:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by millipied View Post
    To answer the question, only Plushenko.
    Well, considering Plushenko wasn't an Olympic champion in 2010, I guess your answer to the actual question would be "no one".
    I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally.~W. C. Fields

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    With each quadrennial it seems to become less and less likely for a former Olympic champion to win again. I can't imagine any former gold medalist winning in 2014, but here's what I think about the chances anyways:
    - Kim: Perhaps. She certainly has the skills set, and at her best she'll probably still be at the top. She may be slightly uninspired recently, but that says little about her state before the Olympics.
    - Virtue/Moir: Perhaps. The Russian teams have a huge home advantage by 2014, and Davis/White are still in the picture. The Shibs too.
    - Lysacek: Unlikely. There's no sentimental feeling for him to win in 2014 (which factors greatly), especially with many of the skaters already having much higher base scores. Chan's scores, in particular, have been astronomically high.
    - Shen/Zhao: Virtually impossible. In 2010 they did face supposedly stiff competition from S/S, but they skated poorly that season and S/Z had the sentimental advantage. They still won pretty deservedly in Vancouver. But in 2014, 1. they'll have much stronger competition from S/S and V/T, 2. they're WAY too old, 3. I don't see why they'll want to go for the Olympics again.

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