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Nonetheless, if Lysacek regains his level of near-flawless consistency, the pressure will be on Chan (and others) to skate clean. Consistency and working hard to achieve peak performance levels were always Lysacek's major advantage. IMO he is neither exciting nor particularly gifted in terms of either artistry or jump technique. But he has built up his strengths to a point where his weaknesses hardly matter and if he keeps that up, he'll remain a threat.
Chan would not need to skate cleanly to beat Evan. There is nobody Chan needs to skate even close to clean right now, and Evan would not be an exception since he was never even close to the level Chan has reached in his last few events. Only if someone who actually still has capacity to improve like Kozuka improves a huge amount (and Kozuka's LP from Worlds which still gives him no hope of competing vs a semi clean Chan yet, would have even blown away Evan's from Vancouver) or Takahashi by some miracle rediscovers his 2008 4CCs form again, will Chan have any moderate margin of error to worry about. More likely it would need to be a new skater with huge talent shooting on the scene, which may not happen before 2014.
Chan is better in every department than Evan, and has gone from being quadless to having arguably the Worlds best quad. If Chan had stayed healthy he probably would have even won in Vancouver, as he certainly didnt need a quad to win against that field. His rep, PCS, content, performance level, command, have all shot up in a huge way since then though.
ITA, judgejudy, that Evan is not in Chan's league.
However, ice is slippery. At Worlds, Chan landed both his quad and 3A in the SP, and was able to get away with a few mistakes in the long. Kozuka scored 180.79 to Chan's 187.96 and while that's still a solid lead for Chan, the difference is not impossible to make up.
It's possible that Chan could have a bad day and make mistakes on both money jumps in the SP. That's where Evan can make up points. His strengths allow him to capitalize on the mistakes or sub-par performances of better skaters (which was the case with Plushenko at the Olympics).
Although it remains to be seen whether Evan will regain his same level of consistency.
Plushenko's skating was scratchy and sluggish - in comparison to how he had skated in the past and in comparison to Lysacek.
1. Regardless of what we feel about caseyedwards, the sum total of the changes made clearly reflect the fact that a quadless man won the Olympics and the ISU didn't want that. If you were to judge the Olympics based solely on the new TES rules, Plushenko wins.
2. No one at the Olympics was a complete skater and they went with the most complete skater. It happens. In 1994, the guy who won the LP didn't land a 3-3 (or 4-3, for that matter), not because the 3-3 wasn't valuable, but because those who did/could were either so far behind after the SP or deficient in other areas that it didn't matter. C'est la vie and all that jazz.
3. Takahashi beat Lysacek in the SP in terms of TES - Lysacek beat him thtere thanks to his PCS. But Takahashi did have a triple toe downgraded to a double as well in the LP, which might be what Jenna was thinking of. His two downgrades and the fall cost him the title.
I'm having a total deja vu moment. I feel like I've read this thread before...
Gee I never realised that Lysacek was so influential when it came to COP revisions.
When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.
2. At least all men did 3A's and there wasn't a 2010 where a 3A-less man beat one with a 3A.
3. All true but Takahashi was treated much worse than Lysacek. What was with the ! to Lysacek but the total harshness on Takahashi.
I understand GOE but in 2010 and the whole season before and the previous was a holding back on difficulty to get good GOE on easier things. But the ISU changed of the GOE and quad value and step sequence importance. The best thing was almost not raising quad value but getting rid of a step sequence in the short. That was good for jumps.
And two judges gave Plushenko good GOE on his first 3A after the quad triple and it's obvious why that was. I wish all the judges had been like them.
You must not have been following skating for very long. Lysacek included quads in his program in the years after Torino. In the US, Lysacek was the quad guy and Weir was the stylist, so Evan spent much of those years being seen as the jumper. When he had to stop training the quad, he seemed to be a little apologetic sometimes about not doing it. Yes, he defended his results, but I always got the impression he would have included a quad in his programs any time he was able to train them consistently.It's funny how guys who used to defend their quadlessness so much, like Lysacek and Chan, decide to train and do quads eventually.