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    I went to segregated schools for the 1st & 2nd grade. Then we moved away & I went to integrated schools for the 3rd thru 6th & didn't come back to Texas till I was 12. I remember walking with my mother & we saw drinking fountains marked white & colored. I didn't realize what that meant & my mother explained. When I understood I started crying. I couldn't understand how anyone could think one race was cleaner than another or why one race would want to make another feel inferior. Then when school started I used to walk to school, & the school buses that were taking the black kids to a school 25 miles away would pass me. I used to feel so bad for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyliefan View Post
    No, not everywhere. My mother grew up in Pennsylvania, went to school in Minnesota, and then lived in California and Ohio. And she never saw a "colored" restroom or drinking fountain in her life till she got married and my dad was stationed in the South. She still remembers the shock it gave her when she started seeing them.
    But there was still discrimination in the North. African-Americans at one time were restricted where they could live, work, eat and go see movies. Even though there were no laws at the time, in Philly, it was "understood" that the blacks would watch movies up in the balconies.

    I remember my maternal grandmother telling me how she had to get lunch for her bridge club, and she went to a Chinese restaurant in a mostly white neighborhood in Philly. When she went to order her food, the owner told her, "Colored go in back! Colored go in back!", meaning that she had to go around the back, where the kitchen was, to place her order! She was a little taken aback, but compared to the soul-crushing Jim Crow she grew up with in the South, it was small potatoes. She ended up canceling the order when she went out the front, around the corner to the back and saw the horrific hygenic practices that they used at the time. She never touched Chinese food again after that, despite everyone's reassurances that the place she went to was not par for the course. My own parents were denied admission to the Latin Casino, a swank club in Center City, because they were black. Blacks could only get in if they had white people with them. They had previously gone with one of the Jewish guys my dad worked with when he was a butcher, and there was no problem.

    As far as the north was concerned, there wasn't anything written in the law books, but establishments could discriminate just the same without being reprimanded. There was the occasional lawsuit, but up until the Civil Rights movement was in full force, they seldom went far.

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    I remember reading somewhere that during WW2 black US soldiers were sometimes asked to vacate their seats on trains to make room for white German prisoners of war. I will try and find a supporting link. Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii was denied service in a bar after returning home from WW2 (with the one arm missing) because he was of Japanese decent. Collin Powell had a similar experience after returning home for the Vietnam war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyliefan View Post
    No, not everywhere. My mother grew up in Pennsylvania, went to school in Minnesota, and then lived in California and Ohio. And she never saw a "colored" restroom or drinking fountain in her life till she got married and my dad was stationed in the South. She still remembers the shock it gave her when she started seeing them.
    I know someone who never ever heard of "Colored" drinking fountains until he went down to Mississippi for Air Force Basic Training in 1959. He found out really fast what they were when he made the mistake of drinking from the "White" fountain, because someone came up to him and ripped him a new one (verbally, lucky for him).

    He told me that as far as racism went, being black in the North was more dangerous than being black in the South, because in the South the "rules" were well-defined, whereas in the North, you didn't know where you were going to encounter it, or from whom. He actually had to deal with it from his own "people" because he insisted on attending the high school in the more affluent part of the city, because he wanted an education without having to feel like he was in a real-life version of Blackboard Jungle. They called him names akin to "Oreo" because he sought to get along with the white kids in the neighborhood.

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    I had to read Schoolgirls by Peggy Orenstein for one of my ed classes this year. It was published by 1995, but assuming things haven't changed drastically, believe me, black kids still harp on other black kids for acting too white in some neighborhoods and situations.

    Of course, racism of all kinds permeates our society. I went on a date with a black male last semester and all of my friends reacted in shock, or just outright negatively, though they tried to hide it, when they found out. I was very

    And, of course, they all said something like, "I'm not racist, but..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey_ View Post
    And, the little note at the end of the book by the author is a lovely tribute to their family maid. I can't believe the family is suing - I personally thought it was a very moving tribute to the woman who raised her - and others who worked in white homes in the South during that time.
    You don't think you would be upset if you learned one of your friends wrote, without your permission, about all the conversations you had with her over the years, and then made millions from it without ever offering you a dime? Wouldn't you feel a little insulted if you were told you should be satisfied with a thank-you at the end if the book from your friend even though the book is based entirely on your experiences yet you received no compensation in return?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex View Post
    But there was still discrimination in the North.
    I know there was. I was just addressing the point about bathrooms.

    Quote Originally Posted by michiruwater
    Of course, racism of all kinds permeates our society. I went on a date with a black male last semester and all of my friends reacted in shock, or just outright negatively, though they tried to hide it, when they found out. I was very

    And, of course, they all said something like, "I'm not racist, but..."
    That's interesting. And sad. When I started dating a black friend of mine, my family and friends reacted more along the lines of "It's about time." (We'd known each other forever. ) No one seemed bothered. Now whether that has to do with geographical location or some other factor, or group of factors, I couldn't say.

    Also, we only dated a little while -- it didn't work out and we ended up being just friends again. So if it had lasted and more people had known of it, maybe there would have been some differing reactions? I don't know.

    I am pretty sure my paternal grandmother would have been horrified, but I wouldn't have minded that (though I wouldn't have liked to subject the poor guy to her vicious tongue). I'd have rather enjoyed horrifying her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I remember reading somewhere that during WW2 black US soldiers were sometimes asked to vacate their seats on trains to make room for white German prisoners of war.
    When Lena Horne was asked to sing for the troops, she was appalled that the white German POWs were given front seats at the venue where the event was held, and so she ignored them and went to the back and sang to the black GIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Now I feel like running to the nearest Barnes & Noble to buy the book and read it.
    I just ordered this book on line, from B&N at 50% off! Should get it in a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agalisgv View Post
    You don't think you would be upset if you learned one of your friends wrote, without your permission, about all the conversations you had with her over the years, and then made millions from it without ever offering you a dime? Wouldn't you feel a little insulted if you were told you should be satisfied with a thank-you at the end if the book from your friend even though the book is based entirely on your experiences yet you received no compensation in return?
    But the book had only a small part about her family maid & obviously, the part about the daughter from up north was made up. And no, if I had a friend who wrote about her life & included a small part about our friendship, I would not be upset & think about what was in it for me. When nice things happen to my friends I am happy for them, not greedy.

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    BTW, saw the great Sissy Spacek in the trailer. What role does she play in the movie? Skeeter's mom [who has a juicy role in the book] or mean lady's mom [forgot her name! ] ?? I'm assuming it's one of those 2 ....

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    She plays Miss Hilly's(sp) mom. The mean girls mom. Her character is HILARIOUS. Sissy did a great job. Loved it. Also I can't believe that is "Carrie." Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taf2002 View Post
    But the book had only a small part about her family maid & obviously, the part about the daughter from up north was made up. And no, if I had a friend who wrote about her life & included a small part about our friendship, I would not be upset & think about what was in it for me. When nice things happen to my friends I am happy for them, not greedy.
    I think the contention is it's not a "small part". The character played by Viola Davis is supposedly the one taken from her maid. They are both named Abileen (sp?), have a gold tooth, etc. Supposedly the maid explicitly asked for her name and description not to be used, but they were anyway.

    I would think if I asked my friend to not use me as a character in their published work and they did it anyway, I would find that rather objectionable. But of course, this isn't a situation of friends--it's an employee allegedly having her personal life used for profit by her employer without compensation despite her voiced objections. Somehow I doubt many here would be okay with that, and I suspect people wouldn't consider themselves "greedy" for objecting to such treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agalisgv View Post
    I think the contention is it's not a "small part". The character played by Viola Davis is supposedly the one taken from her maid. They are both named Abileen (sp?), have a gold tooth, etc. Supposedly the maid explicitly asked for her name and description not to be used, but they were anyway.

    I would think if I asked my friend to not use me as a character in their published work and they did it anyway, I would find that rather objectionable. But of course, this isn't a situation of friends--it's an employee allegedly having her personal life used for profit by her employer without compensation despite her voiced objections. Somehow I doubt many here would be okay with that, and I suspect people wouldn't consider themselves "greedy" for objecting to such treatment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agalisgv View Post
    I think the contention is it's not a "small part". The character played by Viola Davis is supposedly the one taken from her maid. They are both named Abileen (sp?), have a gold tooth, etc. Supposedly the maid explicitly asked for her name and description not to be used, but they were anyway.

    I would think if I asked my friend to not use me as a character in their published work and they did it anyway, I would find that rather objectionable. But of course, this isn't a situation of friends--it's an employee allegedly having her personal life used for profit by her employer without compensation despite her voiced objections. Somehow I doubt many here would be okay with that, and I suspect people wouldn't consider themselves "greedy" for objecting to such treatment.
    If the real Aibilene's assertions are true then I agree. I don't think it's greedy at all, but of course I'm sure some expect her to keep quiet and let Katyrn Stockett enjoy her success and that she should just be grateful for the privilege of having her story be told by an employer who was nice enough to have a personal relationship with her. Of course, if the story isn't true, then yes I would think it'd be someone taking advantage of another person's success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    If the real Aibilene's assertions are true then I agree. I don't think it's greedy at all, but of course I'm sure some expect her to keep quiet and let Katyrn Stockett enjoy her success and that she should just be grateful for the privilege of having her story be told by an employer who was nice enough to have a personal relationship with her. Of course, if the story isn't true, then yes I would think it'd be someone taking advantage of another person's success.
    "If the real Aibilene's assertions are true." Maybe they are & maybe they're not. I'm not jumping to conclusions either way. It would be a sad thing if KS could write this book & then turn around & exploit her family maid. She would be as bad or worse than people like Hilly. I would rather not believe that without proof.

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    I read on the imdb board that the real life maids did not receive money from the writer, after the book was published, though in the movie it is shown that they did. Again, I don't know what the truth is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taf2002 View Post
    I'm not jumping to conclusions either way.
    I don't think anyone is advocating that. My point was the allegations to me are of a serious enough nature that they should have a proper hearing and not be automatically dismissed as the product of a "greedy" or ungrateful maid.

    For Vash, I read somewhere a comment by the author that came across as extremely dismissive of her maid--something to the effect that she rarely even said hello to her in all the years she worked there so no relationship should be inferred. I was rather surprised at the tone of her response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    If the real Aibilene's assertions are true then I agree. I don't think it's greedy at all, but of course I'm sure some expect her to keep quiet and let Katyrn Stockett enjoy her success and that she should just be grateful for the privilege of having her story be told by an employer who was nice enough to have a personal relationship with her. Of course, if the story isn't true, then yes I would think it'd be someone taking advantage of another person's success.
    I have no clue what the truth is, but it's hard for me to believe that Sockett and all her PR people would be dumb enough to let something like this happen, especially with such a sensitive subject. I would be grossly disappointed in her if she did this. But-we'll see what facts emerge before making a judgement.

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    Please note that the person suing the author is not the same person she wrote a dedication to in the book. The person suing her (the suit was just thrown out for statute of limitations issues) was her brother's employee, not the woman who raised her.

    http://news.yahoo.com/judge-throws-s...164557552.html

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