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    A Dance with Dragons

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    anybody else finished yet?

    I loved it! After Feast for Crows I was a bit anxious if I would but this was more like it.
    Lots of things happening and GRRM is still able to surprise me. There were times in the book when I thought - ah, okay, now I know what is going to happen - and then something else happens. Like when Tyrion was sold into slavery and it was decreed that he should perform before Dany - ah, okay, that is how they will meet.
    And then they didn't. Or at least not really.

    Also liked the Aegon storyline. There had always been speculation if he had really been murdered and I liked the way he had been introduced and also - nearly best of all - how Varys came back.

    Hated the way he ended the Jon chapter. The letter was a cheap way to leave two storylines open and the stabbing of Jon...I don't believe that he is dead as it wouldn't make much sense at this point in the story and therefore it feels like a cheap cliffhanger.
    But that is about the only criticism I have.

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    I really hope if Tyrion lives he is castrated! I get the hate for his sister but to consider rape on top of wanting to kill her himself and put her head on a spike? And can anyone in this book who has died or been killed stay dead?!
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    I'm up to page 500, so I'll post but not read the rest of the thread.

    Tyrion is shipwrecked with Jorah. I'm sort of enjoying all the things happening to him this book - stuffed in a wine cask (sort of karma for him), dealing with pissed off dwarfs, it's enjoyable.

    Not excited about Bran's storyline. Wondering if "Coldhands" was uncle Benjen - haven't gotten past it to figure it out. I hate hate hate his story this book. Talking tree people? Really? Someone fetch my axe.

    Arya - I'm convinced 'the kindly man' is Syrio. I will happily admit to finding her chapters first. So sad that people are thinking Jeyne is actually her. She really is the lost child.

    Not a fan of what's going on with Dany. Locking up the dragons and letting one escape? Sleeping with Daario? Really stupid decisions there. Hope Jorah gets there before big brother.

    Jon's on the wall acting all manly.

    I HATE the different names characters are getting. It's tough enough to follow the original names.

    Mycella lost an ear? Interesting. Sandsnakes are still boring me.

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    Tree people look like the only thing able to fight off the 'others' right ? Or to help fight the war that is coming.

    Dany is making mistakes, but I bet it's what will make her a GREAT queen.
    Aegon has been protected way too much to be the true king. And learning what Varys was up to is ... nice. At least we all know that Cersei is a stupid bitch that is digging her own little grave
    Dany is going to be reunited with Drogo's people. I'm betting on that. Anyone else ?

    Arya I don't know yet. She's learning. She'll kill all of the ones she wants to I'm sure at one point. I hope

    As for Jon, he's not dead, or else ! I'll kill GRRM myself
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    I do not like Daenerys at all and hope that she gets eaten by her dragons before reaching Westeros but I am happy that she making mistakes. Even the best leaders have all made bad decisions. It makes her seems more real but I still do not like her however. LOL I am not sure if Aegon is the true Aegon and not a look alike but we wil all have to see. Not 100% liking that Jon has so many opponents so he coudld seem more smarter or whatever, and is so wise while the others are so wrong but he is still one of my favourite charactes and can see him developing. To besides he has had to eat humble pie before in this series. Also I am happy that one of the Mormont women got a mention. I think they part of all this is the most underused in the whole series and the story would be better off to get more of them and less of some others. So "a bag of silver and a bastard in her belly" is where Jon may have come from. I like that a lot and seems so normal and real. Saintly Ned Stark was human after all.
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    Is the book is a satisfying read in light of the fact that it could be another five years before the next one comes out?

    I'm going to hold off on purchasing it and wait to get it either second-hand or at the library. And I'll have to reread the other books as well, which I'm sure I'll enjoy. Just not sure whether I should do it before the series is done.

    The 13th and final book in Jordan/Sanderson's Wheel of Time series will be out this November so I'm going to reread the ohter 12 first. That will keep me busy for 6 months at least.

    Those books came out about every two years - the first was published in 1990. But I have lost trust in Martin these past five years. Is there any indication that he is committed to finish the series within a certain time frame?

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    Ok, I don't know if it's because I've had a soft spot in my heart for the past 13 years for Jon Snow, or if it's because of these fertility drugs I'm taking, but I cried my eyes out when Jon was attacked. I started tearing up when he was thinking about his siblings, and then the attack itself I was actually spoiled that he is attacked, but I did not know who did it or the circumstances.
    I don't really think he is dead, but I just felt so badly for him in that moment. I wanted to reach through the book and save him.

    I'm very pleased with the book otherwise; I'm going to start a re-read because I admit I skimmed some trying to get the main storylines.

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    I guess the way is clear now for the great Daenerys to swoop into Westerosi and save the savages from themselves and the Others. George you devil you!
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    Not quite finished yet but just had to say.... NO NOT JAIME! Not yet anyway. I always thought it would be Tyrion who would kill him. It is so out of character for Brienne to lead him to his death to save her own neck. I hate the ugly wench now and hope her captors kill her too anyway. I am less surprised and upset about Jon. Should have seen it coming. The way his story was shaping up was very cliched because I have seen it at least a hundred times before. The hero who sees what the others around him are too stupid, blind and/or corrupt to notice. He was one of my favourite characters and I am going to add him to the list of best loved and much missed. This list will or already consists of: Davos, Jaime, Jon, Tywin, Jory Cassel, Ned, Robb and I suspect grow longer come books six and seven.
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    I'm done with the book.

    Totally convinced that Jon is not dead. Mel really can see visions in her flames - she saw the daggers around him. Once again, when a Stark is separated from their direwolf, they're in danger.

    Cerise's naked stroll and subsequent crying was so out of character. Loved how Ser Kevan realized at the end that she was right about the Martells taking over everything. Maybe if he had stayed when she asked, it would have been better for the Lions?

    Tyrion and his many escapes got silly. Loved the irony when Jorah got sold into slavery. (((Crunch the dog and Pretty the pig)))

    Ramsey Bolton - he did everything but twirl a villain's mustache and cackle loudly. Martin went way too OTT wit him.

    Very annoyed with the Dany story. We get it, you're a young girl and know nothing of war. Now go put on floppy rabbit ears and shut up.

    Still ticked about Bran in the trees. He's going to become a weirwood now?

    Buzz - Davos is alive and looking for Rickon and Osha. Jaime isn't dead yet either.

    Overall, I'll also have to read it again, but I'm going to wait a while and just re-read a book every year while waiting for the next one to come out.

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    Yeah I agree about Tyrion. His whole story line has gotten too silly. However I am curious if the the girl Penny knows who actually hired them and if she will tell tyrion.

    LOL @ your comments about Daenerys. LOL

    If Jon really is dead at least I do not have to read, "You know nothing Jon Snow" ever again. hehehe But the storyline of the Wall is getting to be one of the BEST with Stannis coming in a CLOSE second. And now our wait for book 6 begins.
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    Should we make a poll to see when we think the next book is gonna be ?
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    The safe bet is on next five years and it will be a very looooong five years.
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    Let's hope he won't do a Jordan and DIE on his fans !!!

    Jordan as Robert Jordan, author of the Wheel of Time saga. The last two books have been written by Sanderson. And we're all expecting the last one in March 2012. That shall conclude the Wheel of time saga. I still feel robbed of Jordan's style. Sanderson is doing a wonderfull job with it, but it's not Jordan's style with the characters or the pace the story is told.
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    Cliffs Notes for ghostwriter: (everyone add your favorite/most annoying)

    1. Arya bites her lip, 'no one' tries to not bite her lip.

    2. Dany hates floppy rabbit ears, but loves men with beards (and gold teeth).

    3. Rickon can be written out of everything. Shaggy Dog is a stupid name for a direwolf.

    4. Bran is a tree.

    5. Jon sulks (and gets stabbed, burned, other stuff).

    6. Jaime gets no respect.

    7. Martin loves to kill off favorites and critters.

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    1. Martin love of killing off popular characters
    2. The ease by which the BWB kill off Freys
    2. Jaime being lead off to his death
    3. Daenerys constantly being described as the world's saviour
    4. Jon constantly saying to himself "you know nothing Jon Snow"
    5. Deanerys repeating endlessly " I am a young girl..."
    6. Daenerys whinning about being Queen as if the Meereenese asked her to be Queen
    7. Everything Melisandre does.
    8. Yeah Bran and the tree thing...
    9. Killing off Stannis and making to way clear for Daenerys the saviour of the world to storm into Westeros without a Baratheon heir standing in the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mindy74 View Post
    Ok, I don't know if it's because I've had a soft spot in my heart for the past 13 years for Jon Snow, or if it's because of these fertility drugs I'm taking, but I cried my eyes out when Jon was attacked. I started tearing up when he was thinking about his siblings, and then the attack itself I was actually spoiled that he is attacked, but I did not know who did it or the circumstances.
    I don't really think he is dead, but I just felt so badly for him in that moment. I wanted to reach through the book and save him. .
    That scene was awful. The way he says, "Why?" at the end then thinks about stick them with the pointy end and Arya. It's the worst because he thinks the guys on the Wall are almost the only friends or family he has left. Come back, Sam!

    Then you have Theon's scenes and Bran trying to communicate with him through the trees, and when Theon hears Bran crying...

    But I'm on the Jon = Azor Ahai bandwagon now. I'm not sure where this leaves Dany though and I'm a fan of hers.
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    I remember reading that no point of view character would die during this book but more deaths should be expected in book six. Imagine my surprise reading about the at best uncertain ending to Jon, Jaime and Stannis three main characters in the story. Not happy about Kevan either but that is George Martin. He also have a nack for reviving his charactes even though they seem to be done for. So in that I guess it is possible that all three (Jon, Jaime and Stannis) will survive book five.
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    What is funny with dear Georges is that he loves killing fans favorite. So far, Jon & Jaime are fan favorites. I'm not sure Stannis is.
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    I am very sure that none of the three characters you mentioned, Buzz, are dead. GRRM, unlike most other authors I know, is not afraid to kill of main characters as we have seen, but even he has to keep a few around to keep the book going. And if we don't see someone get his head chopped off, I don't believe in his/her dead.
    I still believe that the Hound is still alive as well for instance (and is the grave digger mentioned in book 5).

    The general feeling I get from this thread is that most of you are somehow angry or fed up with the books or some storylines? That surprised me because I really like Dance with Dragons. I found it had the magic of SoS again and was fast paced and witty. But most I read in here is how this character goes on your nerves and how you cannot read that particular sentence again etc.
    Do I get the feeling right?

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