ETA - For example, Patrick Chan. His PCS marks are very controversial, especially vis-a-vis other skaters like Takahiko Kozuka. Some insist they are right; others say they are too high. But if the judges are applying clear rules, then who is anyone to say they got it wrong?
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1. I've heard politicking as an excuse to virtually every victory. I heard people cry politicking when V/M won the OGM (assuming it was a trade for Lysacek). So tend to shrug my shoulders a little bit when I hear that as a justification, Rumble Fish. But hey, I'm a V/M fanboy so thoroughly that I'm fine with people thinking they were robbed! Also a Canadian, so two medalists? Fine with me. Though truthfully, I thought that the Shibs were better overall than W/P.
2. I don't think either pair won gold in SLC "fair and square." It could have gone either way, fairly. It went one way, unfairly.
The PCS mark, as well as the former presentation mark, both had specific criteria. That can't be argued with.
The issue is that both of these marks are given with reputation in mind. Too often I see skaters being given PCS scores that are similar for all five categories. This is obviously not reflective of the skater's actual achievement in program components. Some skaters may have strong skating skills but little interpretive skill. While reputation does not completely determine scores, it does play a role.
For example, I remember the relative PCS scores at the 2006 US Nationals Ladies' SP. The PCS scores for the top 5, from highest to lowest, were Cohen, Czisny, Meissner, Hughes, then finally Liang. The scores here had more to do with the skaters' favor with the federation and/or other groups, and less with their actual presentation. How in the world did Liang get lower PCS for that performance than Meissner got?
rewatched SP and LP for ladies 2008 worlds
Gold - Yukari Nakano
Silver - Mao Asada
Bronze - Joannie Rochette
I would have given Carolina Kostner negative GOE for her shaky landings and Yuna was propped by the judges. (Maybe just me because i hated Yuna's costumes that year i was so distracted by it XD)
But seriously, how to Yukari not make it to the podium that year...
usually for ice dance, IMO, the judges have a set podium in mind and rearrange it slightly depending on performance (or not)
Yuna didnt get propped up by Judges in 2008 world,IMO more like Overscored for Kostner and underscored for Nakano.
1976 US Nationals, Senior Ladies. As much as I love Dorothy Hamill, Linda Fratianne absolutely deserved gold above Hamill in that particular competition.
Dick Button Historical Quote of the Month: "Good grief, what have we wrought on the world? Oh my, oh my, OH MY!" (commenting on Tara Lipinsky's free skate, at the 1997 U.S. Nationals)
2008 worlds should have been:
1. Mao Asada (which she did get)
2. Yukari Nakano
3. Yuna Kim (which she also did get)
(carolina kostner was soooo overscored that woman is a real mystery and for someone who was given a silver her programs were a real pain and nerveracking to see i actually wouldn't even have her in the top ten if i should be honest)
poor yukari she was soo robbed that silver medal should have been hers
The worst judged events are any events in which my favorites didn't win.
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The PCS mark may have criteria, but last I looked they were not very specific at all, at least not in the kind of quantifiable way that would produce consistent results. OTOH, the guidance for GOE are quite detailed, yet even there we see the same element get marks ranging from 0 to +3 or even -1 to +2 sometimes.The PCS mark, as well as the former presentation mark, both had specific criteria. That can't be argued with.
The rules for PCS use a lot of very subjective terms, so it is not surprising that the PCS marks are so easily used to nudge skaters up or down based on national bias, personal style preference, deal du jour, or just who left the best liquor in their hotel room.
Can someone please direct me to the ISU directive with the most current guidance on marking PCS?
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned 2002 Grand Prix Ladies
2001 Worlds - Men - Todd deserved nothing less than the silver medal here.
2009 Worlds - Meryl & Charlie should have been on the podium. They were wonderful that year at US Nationals and were even better at that year's Worlds.
2010 Olympics - Tanith & Ben should have won the bronze medal