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    Quote Originally Posted by rfisher View Post
    Morosov may be a jerk and his choreography annoys fans, but he gets results with his skaters. He was Adam's coach when he won JWorlds. Miki has been very successful with him and so has Amodio. His competitive programs are choreographed to win. Which is why the Russian fed is willing to pay.
    Yuck. The reason most of us watch figure skating is because it's different from other sports. The competitor has the ability to create beauty and make artistic statements. Watching the schlock that Morosov has put together for Miki (who is capable of so much more) is embarrassing to past world champions who put their necks on the line with technical and artistic risks. The fact that Nicolai brags that his skaters can win by ticking off jumps and not trying anything new or interesting is just so and goes against the entire history of the sport. Yes, winning is an important result, but in our sport, creating a beautifully entertaining program can lead to bigger and better results. Miki has two world titles under her belt, but will either of those programs go down in history like "Bolero" for T/D and all of the other iconic moments in skating? No, Miki won't ever have that with her current coach/choreographer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple Butz View Post
    Miki (who is capable of so much more)
    Do you sincerely believe that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krenseby View Post
    Do you sincerely believe that?
    the last two seasons should have showed you that. great developement of her, there is surely more to give

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    He has no puter. Well, at least he won't get caught posting a nude pic of himself on the internet or fall prey to internet hook ups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krenseby View Post
    Do you sincerely believe that?
    Frankly, I don't. To me, Ando reached her limits in terms of growth both technically and artistically, if for no other reason than the fact that Morozov doesn't want to try anything new with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RumbleFish View Post
    Program book stuff prompted me to ask, but I had been curious for some time about what Russians think about Yuna's Bond Girl program.
    Probably not a great deal considering I remember massive billboards for "Casino Royale" when I was in Moscow in 2006.
    To think that fun is simple fun, while earnest things are earnest, proves all too plain that neither one thou truthfully discernest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krenseby View Post
    Do you sincerely believe that?
    To be honest, I do believe that, but it might be too late for her now. I don't think she's ever topped her "Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence" SP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUuE9rtw0O0
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    Yes, Heiss and Wilson were a good combination for Miki and I prefer the costumes she wore then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    To be honest, I do believe that, but it might be too late for her now. I don't think she's ever topped her "Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence" SP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUuE9rtw0O0
    Awwww! I really liked that program.
    I get an uneasy feeling about Miki now...like she's in some sort of trap...I hope I'm wrong.

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    With the amount of hatred towards Morozov in this thread, it should be retitled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by os168 View Post
    I find it very interesting, as far as I know Morozov is the most popular coach on Russian skating forums, but in English forums, he is really disliked .... may be the more he is dislike in the English forums, the more popular he is back in Russia??

    My opinion in a nut-shell. Western Ango-Saxon culture is more likely to favor heroes’ behavior like Rob Roy and Robin Hood – Humble Reserved almost Silent Hero.

    Many of us (not all) in Russia (I am close to Morozov’s age, but older), grew up with European fiction literature, which has heroes like D’Arthanian, Casanova, Toreador (from Carmen), Don Juans and other flamboyant cavaliers with overt show-off personalities, who conquest and brag... I can make a far fetched case for cultures that are influenced by Protestant vs. Catholic values and practices, Northern European vs. Mediterranean cultures and the behavior of their characters, but that’s another subject…. .


    Quote Originally Posted by RumbleFish View Post
    Aside from this, perhaps Yuna Kim's Bond Girl program she performed last year might have alienated Russian skating fans?

    To put it shortly, James Bond might be regarded as a super hero in the Anglo-American dominated regions of the world, but Russians might see it as image of hostility toward them.

    Could someone with Russian background share your thoughts regarding this matter?
    Living in Russia during "soviet days of the 60's and 70's" when the movies came out, I do not recall any campaigns against Fleming or James Bond. On the contrary, we kids and teens saw it as another exciting adventure movies with yet another adventure Hero, no different than Fantomas/FRA, Adventures of Sherlock Holmes/UK, etc… And that’s in Soviet days…… Now after the Wall is gone, it’s even less likely that any links would be made to politics.

    I personally don’t like YK’s “Bond” programme, because I don’t think it’s appropriate for a female athlete to portray a “sex toy” in an official amateur competition (Bond Girls are 007’s sex toys after all). No politics for me……. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeschke View Post
    the last two seasons should have showed you that. great developement of her, there is surely more to give
    What about the last two seasons? Did I miss something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    Frankly, I don't. To me, Ando reached her limits in terms of growth both technically and artistically, if for no other reason than the fact that Morozov doesn't want to try anything new with her.
    I agree with you that Ando has reached her limits.

    Morozov said in another interview that it was a bit difficult designing programs for Miki because she was primarily a jumper. I agree with that as well and am not sure that it would make any difference even if Morozov did want to try something new with her. Especially at this (late) stage of her career.

    IMO Miki has never connected well with her music. Nonetheless I really admired her when she won her first world title and thought she skated with power and attack in that competition.

    This year she was just the best or 'least bad' of an uninspiring field/final flight. I had no desire to watch her program again, or any others for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RumbleFish View Post
    Aside from this, perhaps Yuna Kim's Bond Girl program she performed last year might have alienated Russian skating fans?

    Flemming himself had been a British Agent, and most of his works portray James Bond outflanking Russians across various strategic regions of the world while vying for resources such as petroleum and gold. To put it shortly, James Bond might be regarded as a super hero in the Anglo-American dominated regions of the world, but Russians might see it as image of hostility toward them.

    Could someone with Russian background share your thoughts regarding this matter?
    Oh dear, that's a prejudice I should say. I've lived 13 years of my life in the USSR and can't remember any campaigns against James Bond movies at all On the contrary, these movies were very popular here. Where's the root of these prejudices I wonder

    Quote Originally Posted by Tinami Amori View Post
    Living in Russia during "soviet days of the 60's and 70's" when the movies came out, I do not recall any campaigns against Fleming or James Bond. On the contrary, we kids and teens saw it as another exciting adventure movies with yet another adventure Hero, no different than Fantomas/FRA, Adventures of Sherlock Holmes/UK, etc… And that’s in Soviet days…… Now after the Wall is gone, it’s even less likely that any links would be made to politics.

    I personally don’t like YK’s “Bond” programme, because I don’t think it’s appropriate for a female athlete to portray a “sex toy” in an official amateur competition (Bond Girls are 007’s sex toys after all). No politics for me……. .
    Well, I think I should agree with both parts. Although the reason why I don't like Yu-Na is a little bit different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirkbiggestfan View Post
    "Usually her exhibition I make in one or two weeks and her free program I make in two or three days."



    At least, he is honnest.

    That's why i hate him.
    He may be a famous choreographer but not an artist certainly.
    He has no soul.

    He and Miki would probably be a good couple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    To be honest, I do believe that, but it might be too late for her now. I don't think she's ever topped her "Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence" SP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUuE9rtw0O0
    Does anyone know the name of the recording that Miki used for this SP?

    I've never been able to find one that sounds like this version. Love it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny81 View Post
    He and Miki would probably be a good couple.
    I didn't realise there is somebody who doesn't know that "secret" yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post
    Does anyone know the name of the recording that Miki used for this SP?

    I've never been able to find one that sounds like this version. Love it!
    It is a beautiful piece . I guess the recording was made for her.
    This is the closest version i was able to found .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZQYg0vjLxE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny81 View Post
    He has no soul.
    That's a bit dramatic, no?

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    "You're not working with any Americans at the moment.

    I like to have a very good connection with skaters. That's why it's hard to work [with U.S. skaters]."

    What is he trying to say? It's hard to have a connection with American skaters? Or just a loss in translation?
    I know the interview was conducted in English(as far as anyone can tell) but maybe he just didn't know how to say what he meant better since English is not his primary language. I dunno. Just wondering.

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