aaron, thanks. I hope his and the other competitors' programmes will turn up on youtube soon.
Dai's music choice (jazz) does remind me somewhat of Tomas Verner's 2008 sp:
Chan is a wonderfully talented and accomplished skater with edges and judges' marks to die for, fans and apologists aplenty. I will look forward to seeing his Aranjuez skate, but when I hear that music, images of the Kween will definitely come to mind. I doubt that Chan's skate will erase those images. Why does Lori constantly use music for other skaters originally choreographed for Kwan? Is it an effort to conjure a similar magic?
Falls are clearly disruptive (some more than others, of course), and some skaters clearly will be marked down heavily for falls no matter their SS and high level of other elements. Chan, not so much apparently, at least early in the skating season he hasn't been -- not yet so far for the last two seasons. Are the judges blinded by his quads and magical edges, or are they simply under the influence of "massive amounts of weed." Forgive me for this addle-brained but apt reference taken from another thread.
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Three falls and won. Again.
ISU is disgusting.
This isn't sanctioned by the ISU though.
Can't blame Speedy for everything.
It's best to be open to different interpretations of music. A person may have a bias in that the music is associated with a certain skater or programs, and that becomes the standard for the music. Even so, other skaters can use the same music uniquely or brilliantly. I always associate Turandot with Shen and Zhao, but was blown away by Arakawa when she skated to it. Likewise, Shen and Zhao interpreted 'Meditation from Thais' beautifully. It was signature piece for B&S but S/Z didn't even remember that B&S had skated to it. Their interpretation was uniquely their own.
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In practice, of course, there's plenty of variation for various reasons.
But it's not like 6.0 where later skaters' scores were specifically given to be higher or lower than those of the previous skaters in the event, where the point of the judges' job was to rank the skaters against each other.
Now they're just supposed to score the skating against a standard.
But in either case they can't score the skater against the skater's previous performances. In most cases they won't have judged those previous performances and won't remember exactly how the skater skated* even if they did see the performance.
*And what jumps the skater landed or how many mistakes they made are only a tiny part of what they're judging.
Kween does "own" Aranjuez in her iconic skates in 2003. Skaters can skate to whatever music they wish to skate to, and many have used the same music and owned it by their own unique interpretations. Otonal by Butryskaya and Weir comes immediately to mind, also Dr. Zhivago and The Swan, skated by Weir and later by Alissa C. If you can borrow and/ or be inspired by another skater's style and/or music, but make it completely your own with your own brand of magic, kudos!
As I said, I will be interested to see Chan's interpretation. And still, I ask the question, "Why does Lori tend to use the same music originally choreographed for Kwan?"
ETA: This news video includes some clips from Takahiko Kozuka's Japan Open FS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x9IQfLxkdY
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Whether another skater will also create a signature or iconic piece from the music is another matter. But it certainly does happen that different skaters are remembered for the same pieces of music. There have been quite a few signature Carmens.
You don't need to borrow or be inspired by other skaters who use the same music - the inspiration can be internal and a personal response to or resonance with the music. As I pointed out earlier, S/Z weren't even aware that B/S had skated to Meditation, or didn't remember.If you can borrow and/ or be inspired by another skater's style and/or music, but make it completely your own with your own brand of magic, kudos!
Also, coaches often pick the music and as we all know, the same music is used over and over again, and then some. I expect skaters most often do not review the performances that have in done in the past to the music they are using.
Because the Kween is not the center of the universe and everything in FS does not revolve around her. It's simple: Lori likes the music and thought it might work for Patrick, and Patrick agreed.As I said, I will be interested to see Chan's interpretation. And still, I ask the question, "Why does Lori tend to use the same music originally choreographed for Kwan?"
When you say "originally choreographed for Kwan" you suggest that she was the first to skate to it - which I doubt - and imply that Lori is using her choreography for Michelle in Patrick's program. I'm quite sure her choreography for Patrick's program will also be original.
Honda and other have also skated to Aranjuez. More skaters will use the music in future. It's a popular piece of music, that's why Lori and others use it. And each time it's choreographed, it is original. Yes, skaters do borrow choreography from time to time. But usually, original choreography is the goal - especially for the top skaters. Even if copying was the goal, one skater's choreography very often wouldn't work for another.