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    Skaters retiring due to impression that judges have "dropped" them?

    The Crone/Poirier thread has me wondering if any skaters actually did in fact retire due to their impression/belief that they were being no longer "supported" by judges anymore - they were being dropped in favour of (usually) younger competition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seerek View Post
    The Crone/Poirier thread has me wondering if any skaters actually did in fact retire due to their impression/belief that they were being no longer "supported" by judges anymore - they were being dropped in favour of (usually) younger competition?
    I'm not sure that you would ever get any to admit that was the real reason. And sometimes the rise of the younger competitor coincides with the decline in skills of the older competitor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seerek View Post
    The Crone/Poirier thread has me wondering if any skaters actually did in fact retire due to their impression/belief that they were being no longer "supported" by judges anymore - they were being dropped in favour of (usually) younger competition?
    They way C/P got dropped at Worlds this season was quite shocking...

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    Suguri

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    Wish Plushie would finally "get" it and leave for good!

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    Then you have the skaters who remain eligible after their skills have declined and they're no longer considered contenders. Some people just love competing for its own sake. Elvis Stojko, Elena Liashenko and Vanessa Gusmeroli come to mind.

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    Shouldn't this thread be in Trash Can?

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    Quote Originally Posted by luenatic View Post
    Shouldn't this thread be in Trash Can?
    Yes.

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    Moniotte/Lavanchy?

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    Lang and Tchernychev

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    Quote Originally Posted by pair mom View Post
    Wish Plushie would finally "get" it and leave for good!
    "get it" when he won the Olympic silver medal, after a 3.5 year absence?

    Your Plushy hatred is lacking in logic, as hatred usually is.

    BTW if Plushy loves to compete for the sake of competing, he should, regardless of what haters think.

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    Shishkova-Naumov come to mind. They were still a good pair but the judges were just marking them low when they turned pro.

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    Plushy was ridiculously gifted, only adding to his delusional belief in his talent against current men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choupette View Post
    Moniotte/Lavanchy?
    Aren't they the poster children for skilled veterans with no deterioration being brutally dumped for younger, edgier compatriots?

    Guismeroli seems to be another skater who the judges really wanted to not see (even though some of her best programs were after they dumped her). But then her 97 bronze was kind of a fluke (basically the judges not leaving room between Kwan and Lipinski to slot Slutskaya where she should have been) so maybe they were never behind her (though her skating has aged pretty well according to the French ladies thread).

    Petrova/Tihonov were another pair that seemed to be dumped but in actuality I think the judges never liked them much (personally I enjoyed them more than either S/P or the over-hyped B/S)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmar View Post
    Plushy was ridiculously gifted, only adding to his delusional belief in his talent against current men.
    Thats why : he is not retiring due to impression that judges have NOT "dropped" him
    just to be on topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorita View Post
    Thats why : he is not retiring due to impression that judges have NOT "dropped" him
    just to be on topic.
    Seriously. Like Plushenko or not, most skaters would love to be as "dumped" as he was in 2009/2010.
    "Liking this sport is ridiculous, so you’re a little different for liking it, she explained. But you’re allowed to like what you like." - Robert Samuels

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    Quote Originally Posted by CynicElle View Post
    Seriously. Like Plushenko or not, most skaters would love to be as "dumped" as he was in 2009/2010.
    Ain't that the truth.
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    A couple different questions:

    *Do judges ever consciously decide, individually or collectively, to lower a skater's marks compared to what they had received in the past in order to promote younger or otherwise now more (politically?) favored skaters? I.e., do judges ever "drop" skaters in an intentional way?

    Or do judges mark those skaters lower because they don't perform as well as they had in the past, because the judges have now seen enough of their skating to recognize persistent weaknesses that they overlooked in the past, or because the standard of the field as a whole has improved to the point that previously medalworthy skills will no longer cut it?

    Or, with IJS, have the rules changed in ways that make the skater's best skills less valuable than in previous years, or that make other skaters' skills more valuable in comparison?

    *Whether judges ever "drop" skaters or not, or whether they do sometimes but maybe not in this particular case, do skaters perceive a decline in their results as being primarily a result of judges choosing to withdraw support? And if so, do they

    Which of the above questions is this thread more interested in?

    *OK, so if we think it (judges dropping skaters, or skaters perceiving themselves to have been dropped) does happen sometimes, then the question is, which times? What are good examples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    *OK, so if we think it (judges dropping skaters, or skaters perceiving themselves to have been dropped) does happen sometimes, then the question is, which times? What are good examples?
    Tanja Szewczenko? I forget the year and competition but I remember seeing an SP that theoretically might have been described as clean that got really low scores. The Eurosport commentator said something to the effect that she'd been dismissed and told to leave by the marks.

    He brought up the issue of her landing technique (which involved disguised two footed landings a lot) and the suggestion was that the judges were sick of it.

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    Ah, but how did the commentator know that the message from the judges might not have been "Fix your landing technique" rather than "Go away and don't come back."

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