Who wants to watch rich people eat pizza? They must have loved that in Bangladesh. - Randy Newman on the 2014 Oscars broadcast
Whenever groups start trying to do that, inevitably it seems to be the physical attributes of females that are considered problematic. Example:
Just as in terms of stereotypical gender behavior, the deep seated fear of boys playing with "girls" toys demonstrates. It is that which is considered female --whether it is the nonnegotiable physical traits or those activities and interests that society has classified as feminine--that is deemed objectionable for males or for everyone.
I don't know the criteria for revoking a therapist's license. It probably varies by state, and I don't know if any states outlaw therapists who promote this kind of abuse. But licensing is done by state, and the Reker followers are probably more likely to live in states with a large anti-homosexual population and hence a state licensing board that wouldn't outlaw such practices.
In the Murphy case, this was a university research study. Today all studies need ethics board approval.
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Gender and sex are not the same thing. Your biological sex is what you are born with, whereas gender is an interpretation of that sex - the values, roles, and behaviours which are associated with it and can be imposed on it. Pink and dolls for little girls and blue and toy cars for little boys is one of the simplest examples - there is nothing biological about the association. And countless other associations pile up as children grow up, creating expectations and viewpoints regarding gender that can be limiting and damaging.
Interpretations of gender become myths of gender, which deeply informs and guides how we live and how we perceive men and women. Many such myths are falsely presented and accepted as biologically based. And they are so deeply encoded in the collective conscious that people don't stand back and question the research, which is often biased and flawed. So they continue to flourish.
Unfortunately we are so heavily socialized to view people in terms of their gender that gender often comes before personhood - actions, behaviours and thoughts are attributed to whether a person is male or female.Originally Posted by Peter G
When my daughter attended a week-long summer camp at a historical village, the girls were forbidden to run, or whistle, or raise their voices, play physical games. They had to behave as typical girls in 1850.
And now, in practice, most people's actions that are gender neutral for their children are actually just discouraging girls from acting on traditional roles. Being girly is bad, no matter what your anatomy is.
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Then just to make it more fun, girls hit pre-teen/teen age and are promptly hit with the message that no, you shouldn't have been playing with Barbie--but now you need to DRESS like a tart. (And by the time you hit your twenties, the culture says you better be taking Cosmo's advice seriously and acting like one, too, or you're a closet case who liked playing with toy trucks instead of Barbie, what was WRONG with you...that, or you WANT sex? You're either a whore or you're a mindless tool of the patriarchy, why do you care about pleasing some male?)
Basically, girls can't win, no matter who's running the show.
And here I was thinking the "William Has a Doll" track on Free to Be You and Me--an album that was HUGELY popular in the US in the 1970s--had taken care of a lot of that "'feminine' boy = bad" crapola.
I teach Pre-K and the boys in my class love to go into the Pretend area and play house. They play with the dolls, pretend to discipline them and dress them and they dress up in dress up clothing, including dresses. At first we had some parents make remarks and give strange looks but now they accepted it for what it is, imaginative play and a way for a child to express what is happening in their world.
Anderson Cooper's doing this in 3 parts. Here is part 1 from last night. Scroll down the page to see the video.
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Slightly Wounding Banana list cont: MacMadame.
I had an unpleasant reminder of gendering recently when my pregnant niece told me she was happy to be having a boy rather than a girl because she and her sister (her one sibling) had grown up in a girl's world and boy's world was so different. The implication was that boy's world was somehow better, which was a strange view coming from a young woman who has PhD in education, a great career and a wonderful husband. I would have hoped she was more enlightened, but then my sister's gender views have obviously influenced her.
Ultimately boys and girls live in the same world. It is up to us whether we want to divide it along lines of gender, especially when we are parents to the young.
I guess the hard thing for a lot of people to accept is why God would allow me to go running through their yards, yelling and spinning around.
I never understood the whole "you must act this way if you area girl, and this way if you are a boy." Ok so what if you exhibit a different phenotype, than your genotype? What if you're XX but developed masculine (Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia) or XY but developed as a girl(Androgen Insensitivity)? I wonder what these people who try to make someone act a certain way, would do if presented with that situation.
But a better idea of 'typical girl activities', or at least those encouraged, would be to get a books of children's activities aimed at girls or boys--I have a reprint of one from the later nineteenth century. Girl activities are generally less physical and more...I don't want to say creative, but things like organized plays or puppet shows, word games, going on 'nature walks' with the intent of learning to identify and press/preserve flowers and plants, while the boys tend to be directed more to things like building and physicaly compeititive games. And both books have things we'd flip out over now--for example a fun party game for girls involving LEAD DIVINATION--yes, exactly what it says on the tin, little girls using molten lead poured into cold water as a method of fortune telling at parties for ten-year-olds. You know, for kids! And boys are supposed to go out and trap animals, and both genders are expected to do things like collect bird eggs and other natural specimens we know now to leave alone. Girls' physical games tended to emphasize gracefulness and eye-hand coordination, boys of a comparable age were usually aimed at target-oriented or speed/strength games (which makes sense to a point as they're behind girls as far as fine motor skills go. And by the time they reached ages we would consider normal for more organized skill sports, they usually had real work to do.)
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Slightly Wounding Banana list cont: MacMadame.
It's a shame that Kirk Murphy seemingly didn't get the "unconditional" love that his sister talks about in the last minute of the interview; and was put into this experiment by his parents.
Whatever their "good intentions" were; they must accept their share of the responsibility for what happened to their son.
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