I will admit that the only thing that has me worried is that the trend in icedance is towards althletic tricks and speed. Zhulin's teams have tended to be more of a "overall" complete package but with emphasis on creativity and interesting themes in their programs. Unless the trend flips once again, I do wonder if I&K will rise even if they continue to steadily improve.
Cloudy_Gumdrops, ITA about people forgetting about B&A's beginnings as a team. Also perhaps some people may not have been following icedance until B&A's perky years. I think Tosca was meant to be a transitional program; what Linichuk thought B&A could handle while they continued to adjust to the changes she made in their skating.
I often wonder if Ave Maria being a religious song turned people off; these days anything religious doesn't seem to sit well with most. Although for some reason when other teams have used that piece it seemed to be better received.
Along with the bad costumes (I did like the design of the bottom half of Tanith's dress) I noticed the other day while watching that the interpretation of Ave Maria seemed to have changed. At Cup of China and Skate America, I thought that Tanith was supposed to be an angel helping Ben and the expression was softer and flowing. By the end of the season it was more dramatic. I think that tends to happen when a team is trying to figure out what the judges want and end up changing things that didn't really need to be changed. Look at how DelShoes tweaked Carnival in Venice and T&D completely changed Let's Face the Music and Dance back in 1994. Carnival in Venice never did look as amazing as it did at Skate America as the 05/06 season progressed. Sometimes teams get so caught up in trying to make up those points that they change their programs for the worse.
I still loved Ave Maria but clearly the changes didn't sit well with everyone.
And they are not that sloppy- at this point they are sloppier than Shibutanis, but quite advanced for first-year-senior team.
Comparisons with V/M are unnecessary. "More talented, less talented"- are we weighing talent like some sack of grain? Both are VERY talented, and quite different.
What I like in what you said, though- we all find in skating what matters to us.
Perfection of line and mad skills matter for you; musical or theatrical discovery within the sport matters to me (with good technique, yes, but not alone). Joys of loving skating!
And lastly- I worry that with Olympics in Sochi the Russian Federation will go for instant result rather than nurture. I/K need time to mature; Nikita needs time to bulk up a bit and get stronger- he is still a teenager, and has the built of a teenager. I'd gladly give up a medal in Sochi in exchange for healthy I/K for many years to come. I hope Zhulin has enough strength to fight for them...
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improving my ballad- like lines
I also agree they're "not that sloppy", but perfect lines and mad skills will do it for me every time.
The comment re V&M was again trying to understand why so much hype for this team since I don't find I&K any more special. (Less actually). I don't get it (as I've said) but I'm willing and open to get it. I wait for them to show something that speaks to me. Unlike other posters (not in this thread, but just over time reading FSU) I'm not at all turned off by the hype. Quite the opposite. It makes me curious, and a bit frustrated, and certainly watchful.
Also I think Zhulin not pushing IK to their limits now is a fine theory of their performances the past season but it doesn't serve IK to have them fall behind or come in 10th in a worlds free dance all to perserve them for Sochi! Their reputation was damaged a little.
Alilou, I understand preferring the Shibutanis, but I/K have pretty mad skating skills and their lines are just as good if not better than them.
I/K have excellent skating skills. So do S/S, but they are slower on the ice at the moment IMO.Originally Posted by alilou
As for the perfect lines, for the moment the Shibutanis have not skated a dance which has demonstrated their ability in this department IMO. In their foxtrot/quickstep FD they hardly held any matching leglines (actually their free legs often didn't match) the exits of the lifts were not designed to show shapes and everything was held for too short a time. Of course this is the nature of the dance they chose, especially the quickstep. They are exceptionally musical and their unison is very good. It is the lines that need work IMO. Also the fact that S/S stand very far apart in closed holds detracts from the overall look. Last year I thought this was due to their height difference, but they haven't improved even though she has grown.
I/K's Don Quixote FD, as a classical ballet, was more ambitious as far as lines were concerned. They had to have perfect control and matching lines at any time, any small imprecision with the legs, arms, body or head was visible at once. The free leg positions were more difficult. Their nerves in Moscow cost them a bit, but I believe this free dance has been a good exercise for them. They will start next year as a team having much better lines and unison than at the beginning of the season. Their lines and unison in the Golden Waltz were absolutely beautiful, despite the difficult music. They are already able to skate quite close too, though not as close as V&M and P&B yet.
Did I write that???
eta...I see it's something alilou wrote. Asli could you edit your post and correct that.
Come on, you can do it
ASLI, you like B/S , too Khokhlova ?
IMO They just have IT. Shibs might be a cleaner team at this moment, but when I watch I/K I can't help wondering how amazing they are going to be and the wonderful programs (hopefully) that they will be capable of performing in the coming years as they mature even more. The possibility is endless. I had the same feeling when I first saw V/M too (unfortunately they have not grown into the team that I've always wanted them to become, but that's another story). No one knows what will become of I/K, but the potential makes the fans excited nonetheless.
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