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I am anxiously awaiting their return to competitions
I see them moving ahead of C&Z back into the 3rd spot. They were a great team before S&Z's camp. I can't wait to see their improvements.
S/B ended up ranking higher over N/B rather consistently even though S/B were (imo) much more boring, but you could see that their technical quality was just a lot higher.
It isn't as if the Shibutanis racked up big scores nationally while not doing nearly so well internationally -- they've been racking up high scores all year, from all kinds of panels of judges. I'm sure they would have done better in prior years internationally had the height discrepancy not posed such problems for their skating. Now that she's grown some more that isn't a problem, and their scores reflect that.
I'm less inclined to follow the notion that the USFSA has some vested interest in picking winners and losers outside of what happens on competition ice. Heck, there were people who insisted that they'd never allow Czisny to become national champion again after she imploded in prior years, and guess what -- there she is.
S/B were given boring music and programs for the previous two seasons, and that held them back. Let's wait to see how they do under new coaching before writing them off.
Look, like Shibs is now on there way to stars. Dont know, what will be with S-B now. I really love this team, but look, like they will be only third at Nationals next season.
Loves me some KriGS.
But for S&B, who have the goods to someday be on the Worlds podium, and who I hope will be fully recovered in and get great programs for the 2011-2012 season.
Therein [to get to the thread question], I think S&B will challenge to be the USA #2, but due to the Shibs' 2011 Worlds success and equally impressive talents, not quite reach it for at least the '11-'12 season.
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S/B should be in the hunt for 3rd place at Nationals, assuming that Evan makes a good recovery.
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I think it will be a battle for the silver medal come next January at the US Nationals with the Shibutanis.
I think Sam/Bates will really have to prove themselves on the GP in order to compete with S/S for the silver at Nationals.
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It will depend on the programs really. besides davis and white for sure, i think its a race between the Shibutani's, C/Z and S/B for the other two spots... the type of material can make or break you. They all train together so its all up to their component scores/GOE's, because working with the Z/S the technical levels will all be the same.
Also think that the SD is more specific this year as it's a Latin Combo which couples do you think can interpret this the best...
FWIW, SamBates do Latin very well. Well, we'll just have to wait and see, there are so many factors we can't predict.
How much will Maia continue to grow? How will SamBates rebound after so much time off the ice? How will Alex and Maia handle the Latin dances, etc. Will Chock and Zuerlien overtake them both, shocking us all?
That said, I'm just so thrilled to have so many awesome American dance teams to root for.
Without disrespecting the Shibs, I just want to point out that being a World medalist in 2007 (B&A) and 2008 (K&N) did not mean they became unbeatable. Several teams would surpass both teams in the ensuing years.
Although I foresee D&W and V&M battling it out for a little while longer, the battle for third will be a huge fight amongst many, many teams--the two Canadians, the two Russians, the French, three Americans, the Italians. Am I missing anyone else?
S&B have an excellent shot at going all the way to the top. Although not without deficiencies, their qualities are easily identifiable.
S/B skate with deep and long edges, and the US and international judges love big skating. So, I think they might jump into third nationally. But internationally, I guess perhaps only top 10.
I think too many people are making too much of the Shibs' bronze medal. It should be celebrated yes, and good for them for taking advantage of a great opportunity, but I'm sure the USFS is aware that had I/K, B/S, C/P, P/B performed as expected and the Kerrs, they would have been much lower. (Own personal theory--had W/P skated later on the night of the SD, they'd have made it to the final group, and their would have been two Canadians instead of two Americans on that podium.)
So really, I don't think the Shibs are that far ahead of S/B, if they're ahead at all. It's certainly not insurmountable, which is good for the long term of US ice dance. I hope the Shibs, S/B, KG/S, C/Z, and whoever's coming up the pike continue the groundwork laid by B/A.
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A World medal can do a lot for your PCS scores...I think we all know that.
And I disagree that the Shibs only won bronze by "default." All teams were relatively clean in that SD and they were placed 4th. Sure, they would've been 4th overall if P/B didn't mess up, but that's the nature of the sport.