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    Well, if we're talking about pre-rotation on the axel. Evan had it pretty easy even though his was one of the worst.

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    Shin Amano did an excellent job both last year and this year at worlds, I thought. The downgrades were correct. As another poster pointed out, remember that Susan Lynch and Myriam Loriol-Oberwiler had the power to overrule him if they disagreed with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a56 View Post
    Shin Amano did an excellent job both last year and this year at worlds, I thought. The downgrades were correct. As another poster pointed out, remember that Susan Lynch and Myriam Loriol-Oberwiler had the power to overrule him if they disagreed with him.
    It's not that the dowgrades were un-correct.
    It's more that some of the non downgrades should have been.

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    Can anyone refresh my memory on why Mao abandoned the 3Lz? Was it because of the wrong edge takeoff, and if so, would it be more advantageous for her to take the deduction on the edge call than to keep getting << on the 3A?

    For me, underrotated 3a aside, the "whole picture" of Mao's skating was shocking. She looks nothing like the skater she used to be. She looks waif-skinny and her artistry appears to be gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bev Johnston View Post
    For me, underrotated 3a aside, the "whole picture" of Mao's skating was shocking. She looks nothing like the skater she used to be. She looks waif-skinny and her artistry appears to be gone.
    I think she may have felt a bit de-spirited and it reflected in her skating. How do you pick yourself up again and again when something is constantly kicking you down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bev Johnston View Post
    Can anyone refresh my memory on why Mao abandoned the 3Lz? Was it because of the wrong edge takeoff, and if so, would it be more advantageous for her to take the deduction on the edge call than to keep getting << on the 3A?

    For me, underrotated 3a aside, the "whole picture" of Mao's skating was shocking. She looks nothing like the skater she used to be. She looks waif-skinny and her artistry appears to be gone.
    She did include the lutz in the LP this season.

    There was something definitely off about Mao at Worlds. She reportedly lost a considerable amount of weight before the competition. She appeared much better at 4CC.
    Last edited by miki88; 05-02-2011 at 04:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loulou View Post
    Since the thread is about UR, I referred to that.
    But you can easily apply my theory to jump quality or jump techinque: in the old CoP nobody cared if your 3-3 had both triples UR, if your 3A was UR, if all your jumps didn't deserve positive GOE. As long as the jumps looked there, you were all set.
    Which would have made Asada really hard to beat.

    That said. Even though Mao has been my favourite skater for quite a while, I'm not blind. I can see her faults. And since I tend to be pretty fair, I acknoledge that she deserves her scores.

    She doesn't deserve though, to have all of her jumps under review, while her competitors don't. Because, as I said, that kills her rankings and her spirit.

    So, again: is the ISU sure they want to force out a skater like Asada this way?

    Well said. I think the judges are excessively hard on Mao and they are not consistent, skater to skater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    She did include the lutz in the LP this season.

    There was something definitely off about Mao at Worlds. She reportedly lost a considerable amount of weight before the competition. She appeared much better at 4CC.
    I believe she said she was sick before Worlds so she lost some training time.

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    I believe Mao deserved a < on her 3 axel, but not a << because in that case she would have landed forward and probably fall, wich was definitely not the case.
    And even a < could have been questionnable (I need to see the slow motion) because a < is supposed to be given if there is MORE than 1/4 cheated, and I'm not even sure the axel was more than 1/4 underrotated. If it was 1/4 then there should have been no technical deduction, only negative GOE because of the unperfect landing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkaug View Post
    Would you have DOWNGRADED Mao's Triple Axel in her Free Skating in the Worlds? It may have been a little short but not more than 1/2 rotation.
    It was clearly landed forwards, the decision was definitely correct.

    What was absolutely scandalous was the GOE given by the judges.

    The downgrade and landing on two feet together should result pretty much automatically with a -3 (deductions are cumulative).

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    Why Amano for the technical specialist for ladies again???
    It makes no sense that he does it 3 times in a row.
    They should make it clear how they chose him.
    Now little chance for Mao to win!

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    Well, I guess someone will be raising a banner that reads 'Hi Sliches' this year again.

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    Thread is well over a year old. Besides that.....
    To think that fun is simple fun, while earnest things are earnest, proves all too plain that neither one thou truthfully discernest.

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