^ this 100%.
Whenever I have spoken to Mishin he is always funny and friendly, interesting to talk and the man scientifically is a genious.
Well, as the question was whom "we" dislike, I think it's Orser for me. There must be a reason why he was left by his two best students, and I don't think that he has brought up the best in Adam Rippon. (Especially thinking hat he didn't even do the coreography.)
In the US right now, Tom Z by a landslide. First, he "encouraged" Joshua Farris to skate the free at Nationals knowing that Joshua was badly injured and unable to take pain meds. Second, he failed to inform USFS and Team Mirai of Rachel's status for Worlds.
As for the most slimy, Morozov. As for the least imaginative, Mishin.
AceOn6, the golf loving skating fan
I thought that this would be a poll ... was poised to vote "all of the above"
(so much ruined talent over the years via bad coaching)
I vote for whoever taught Caroline Zhang how to jump. It's really concerning watching her vault off the ice, and I wonder what kind of problems and pain she's going to face when she gets older for years of the hammer toe lutzes and corkscrew loops. What kind of coach lets a skater get by with that kind of technique?
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Although Moronsov is a slimeball, he does seem to work well with his students, and is able to get the best out of them in what seems to be a positive way (by even the reports of students who have left him). Tom Z, however, and his seeming to bully a child into competing injured/ill/tired and causing him greater injury, then basically telling him in the K&C to suck it up, smile and wave, comes across as a sociopath.
Mishin always struck me as a bit of a dirty old man...
I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally.~W. C. Fields
"I miss footwork that has any kind of a discernible pattern. The goal of a step sequence should not be for a skater to show the same ice coverage as a Zamboni and take about as much time as an ice resurface. " ~ Zemgirl, reflecting on a pre-IJS straight line sequence
It's been increasingly painful to watch Tom Z in the kiss and cry. This year there were his push-ups after Rachael's program at Skate America(bringing the attention squarely on him rather than on his skater, where the attention belonged), then Joshua Ferris after his long program at Nationals. Joshua's furious reaction was that of someone who'd been pushed against his better judgment. I've never met Tom Z, but based on kiss and cries alone, he strikes me as manipulative, attention-seeking, and all around slimy. Is it possible that he has connections to USFS in Colorado Springs, or are they just ignoring his behavior? As far as I can tell, it's reprehensible and reflects incredibly poorly on US Figure Skating.
Based on impressions while watching skating and articles (during many, many years) there are a few coaches I don´t admire
- Tom Z
When a coach is 'not so nice', demeaning to their skater, making poor judgement calls regarding whether a skater should compete or not, sociopath, egotistical- more often than not to the detriment of the skater(s)...where are the parents?? Brainwashed?
I can not speak about USFSA, but the ISU does not want parents around. It is made perfectly clear at the competitions that parents are not at all a part of the sport. It is never said, but it is felt loud and clear. It is very interesting since without parent support there are very few if any skaters that could actually get to that level. There are always exceptions to the rule and some parents that have a difficult time remembering what their role should be. So, as far as RF, the parents may have been left as far out of the loop as possible. Remember she is over 18 and they do not need to consent and do not have rights to medical info.
I'm just pleased that no one said Mr. Sato, Frank, or Priscilla Hill...or Yuka..
The only coach that I ever intensely disliked was Pam Gregory.
"Marge, if you're going to get mad at me every time I do something stupid, then I guess I'm just going to have to stop doing stupid things!" - Homer Simpson in the Mr. Plow episode
Say what you want about Nikolai, but his skaters go out there and perform. Very rarely will they miss more than one jump per program, and they never have a meltdown. They are very, very consistent.
Just look at Elene G...two triple lutzes back to back and no pops? When's the last time that's happened?
Shpilband/Zueva win hands down, as far as I am concerned, for turning ice dance into a series of technical elements with shockingly bad choreography.
Tom Z comes second (although he's a DILF and I'd totally shag him ). Dupagegal said it better than I could:
Brian Orser comes third for his immature, diva behaviour, closely followed by Frank Carroll. The competition between them on who can be a meaner bitch is very to watch though.
Oleg Vasiliev gets the fifth place for sleeping with his students and being a cold, nasty wanker.
Morozov is a asshole privately, yes. But he gets very good results with his skaters and is capable of interesting choreography if he tries. He also seems to be great at supporting his students.
Ola Kauc, commentating for Polish Eurosport said that he was the best choreographer she's ever worked with. He was kind, supportive, really focused on them and made sure that they were comfortable with the choreography he was giving them. And all that despite Kauc/Zych definitely not being a priority for him.
So whilst I wouldn't want Morozov as a friend, I'd definitely like to be coached by him if I was a skater.