RSF forcing Russian coaches to coach only Russians until Sochi

**Frau Muller** · 05-02-2011, 04:54 PM

I'm wondering if Russia would even allow passports for its top coaches. No passport - no chance to travel. Shades of USSR days when 'untrusted' coaches wouldn't even accompany their students to int'l events. Hope not.

**Frau Muller** · 05-02-2011, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Fashionista

It's official his new training base will be Novogorsk. He'll spend summer in the US and Latvia and then resettle in Moscow.

Ahhh...very soon Morozov will have to sing this tune:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOifaUXPk4g

**Ajax** · 05-02-2011, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by hanca

Closing doors does not seem to hurt Chineese pair skaters. they have built their pair program from nothing, without any influence of the experts from other countries.

Didn't S&Z have to work with Lori Nichol in order to become more expressive in their performances?

quiqie, thanks for the translation. It's interesting that the Russian Fed wont' object to Amodio or Ando but no mention is made of Fernandez.

**hanca** · 05-02-2011, 05:22 PM

It looks to me as if Morozov has made deal with RSF. They will allow him to keep Amodio and Ando and in return he will teach the skaters Russian federation sends to him. Compromise.

**goldberry99** · 05-02-2011, 05:55 PM

I think these situations can work out to be positive or negative for the skaters depending on the individuals involved.

Positive: Shpilband's camp of B/A, V/M, & D/W all spoke about how the competitive environment inspired them and pushed them to be better skaters.

Negative: Grishuk/Platov and Krylova/Ovsiannikov with Linichuk, Yagudin and Plushenko with Mishin. One skater left at least partly because they believed the coach was not giving them enough attention or helping their competitor.

Now B/A did leave Shpilband, but they chose to do so after having a positive experience for many years, and that's the point, that they can choose based on their needs. Skater/coach/training groups should be decided based on skater's needs which can be based on many things(personality, geography, maturity) other than skill and qualification.

It shouldn't be decided for them one way or the other. If Russian Skater A would benefit from training with non-Russians and Skater B would benefit more from 100% of a coach's attention, they should find coaching situations to fit them.

If the Russian Federation's top priority was improving their skaters you'd think their motto would be "Whatever Works."

**MorganaLefay** · 05-02-2011, 06:29 PM

This will be very bad for I/K--they needed P/B there!

**millipied** · 05-02-2011, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by MorganaLefay

This will be very bad for I/K--they needed P/B there!

There are reports that I/K are leaving Zhulin anyway. So no damage I can see.

**Asli** · 05-02-2011, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by millipied

There are reports that I/K are leaving Zhulin anyway. So no damage I can see.

Really?

Where are they going?

**millipied** · 05-02-2011, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Asli

Really?

Where are they going?

That is the biggest intrigue next year. There are some hints in the latest Pisseev's interview

**Rafter** · 05-02-2011, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by millipied

There are reports that I/K are leaving Zhulin anyway. So no damage I can see.

I wonder if I&K will be going to Shpilband?

**Yukari Lepisto** · 05-02-2011, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Rafter

I wonder if I&K will be going to Shpilband?

That's my guess too. esp. since Piseev said that P/B will be replaced by americans and canadians... wow

**hanca** · 05-02-2011, 08:33 PM

It would get there quite crowded. They have already at least 6-8 senior teams...

V&M, D&W, S&S, C&Z, S&B, Tobias/Stagniunas, K&A, Lichtman/Copely...

**millipied** · 05-02-2011, 08:40 PM

There are plenty of other coaches besides S/Z. But Ilinykh already has positive Canton experience.

**Vagabond** · 05-02-2011, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by millipied

There are plenty of other coaches besides S/Z.

There are?

**millipied** · 05-02-2011, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Vagabond

There are?

LOL. I would rep you if I could

**smartblade** · 05-03-2011, 12:46 AM

Don't forget that marina zueva's son Fedor Andreev is now skating with former world medalist Jana Khoklova! and they will be representing Russia next year, and they did place 4th at the russian nationals.

**Asli** · 05-03-2011, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Rafter

I wonder if I&K will be going to Shpilband?

What's the point in insisting Russian coaches concentrate on Russian skaters, if then the most promising young ice dancers are sent to coaches who have a whole campful of foreign students?

I/K will be Shpilband/Zoueva's number 4 priority at the very best. But from Piseev's words, it does seem like a done deal.

I'm devastated if it is. I was so looking forward to I/K and now they'll probably just be another S/Z team.

So at least let Zhulin work with Pechalat/Bourzat. I thought they were being ousted to make place for I/K?

**Taso** · 05-03-2011, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Asli

What's the point in insisting Russian coaches concentrate on Russian skaters, if then the most promising young ice dancers are sent to coaches who have a whole campful of foreign students?

I/K will be Shpilband/Zoueva's number 4 priority at the very best. But from Piseev's words, it does seem like a done deal.

I'm devastated if it is. I was so looking forward to I/K and now they'll probably just be another S/Z team.

So at least let Zhulin work with Pechalat/Bourzat. I thought they were being ousted to make place for I/K?

That's what makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever - why boot P&B and send I&K to a coach who has at least 8 other teams, anyway?

**Cherub721** · 05-03-2011, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by Asli

I/K will be Shpilband/Zoueva's number 4 priority at the very best.

The one thing I like about S&Z is that IMO they treat all of their teams as if they were #1. For any other coaches the Shibutanis would have been way down on the priority list and the coaches would have been thrilled with a top 12 finish. But Zoueva said that they were training them (and politiking I'm sure!) as if they were contenders for the world podium. And then they were! I also always got the sense that they honestly were fine with either D&W or V&M winning, as long as they were #1 and 2. Both teams are given programs that S&Z honestly believe suit their strengths best. It's very different from Linichuk with Domshabs and B&A, IMHO.

They just want medals. They would train I&K in a manner conducive to winning them and choreograph programs that will get them the points they need. Then it would be up to I&K to follow through.

Maybe I&K could go to them for a year or two, learn all the technique, win medals, and then move on to a voidier coach? Or Shpilband would let them use an outside choreographer? Yeah, I know... never gonna happen.

**bek** · 05-03-2011, 01:41 AM

I would imagine that if S/Z don't produce results with I/K that the Russian fed will move them, and then S/Z will also have a p***d of Russian federation after them too.

Besides perhaps S/Z know very well that the Russians are going to do their darndest to get a contendor by Sochi in dance, and they do have the talent to make it happen. So if this case, why not have them coaching said team. This being said I can't help wonder how the Canadians/US will feel about S/Z taking on I/K.

I don't know why they couldn't consider other coaches though. Its not like S/Z are the only coaches in the history of the sport who have created Olympic Champs.

And who knows maybe Igor will play to I/K's more voidy/European style.

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