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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    I know tons of straight women who think man on man action is a big turn on. They admit to seeking out gay porn when they want to look at porn. They probably are more free to admit this to a gay guy than their other straight friends.
    There is a doctoral dissertation in there for some intrepid grad student. Why do so many straight women find man on man action compelling? Do they fantasize about being between the two guys who are going at it?

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    Most M/M slashfic is written by women.
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    And so badly written at times as to be unreadable. At least most of the online stuff I've read.
    Interesting. Rex, can you usually tell M/M slashfic that is written by a woman from that written by a gay man? I've often noticed that white authors often get details wrong when they create African-American characters. Does something similar happen when straight writers create gay characters?
    Last edited by Civic; 04-28-2011 at 07:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civic View Post
    Interesting. Rex, can you usually tell M/M slashfic that is written by a woman from that written by a gay man? I've often noticed that white authors often get details wrong when they create African-American characters. Does something similar happen when straight writers create gay characters?
    Actually, Civic, I cannot tell; most of what I've read, str8 woman or gay man and everyone in between, is just bad stuff. I read one slash fanfic on Law & Order: SVU where Stabler and Huang fell in love and it was just awful, awful stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex View Post
    I read one slash fanfic on Law & Order: SVU where Stabler and Huang fell in love and it was just awful, awful stuff.
    But you kept on going right to the end, didntcha?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Civic View Post
    There is a doctoral dissertation in there for some intrepid grad student. Why do so many straight women find man on man action compelling? Do they fantasize about being between the two guys who are going at it?
    Well, there's been a lot of academic work on slash fiction in media fandom within the field of cultural studies, e.g., http://web.mit.edu/cms/People/henry3/bonking.html

    I'm not so sure about studies of women consuming images intended as gay porn, or studies in the fields of psychology/sexology etc.

    There's this: http://content.libida.com/gay-porn-a...en-who-love-it
    But I can't find a link to the actual study

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex View Post
    Actually, Civic, I cannot tell; most of what I've read, str8 woman or gay man and everyone in between, is just bad stuff. I read one slash fanfic on Law & Order: SVU where Stabler and Huang fell in love and it was just awful, awful stuff.
    What is it about SVU? I've heard there is a large fanfic base of Benson/Cabot shippers.
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    Oh yeah, Benson/Cabot has always been huge. There were so many shippers even the writers knew about it and would throw in little fanservice scenes. I used to remember what episodes they were in but I was a fan like 6 years ago.

    And I wasn't even a shipper, I just couldn't avoid hearing about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex View Post
    Actually, Civic, I cannot tell; most of what I've read, str8 woman or gay man and everyone in between, is just bad stuff. I read one slash fanfic on Law & Order: SVU where Stabler and Huang fell in love and it was just awful, awful stuff.
    Stabler and Huang together? That is just so wrong on so many levels. Among other things, while Huang respects Stabler as a colleague, he doesn't like him as a person. The show's writers have made it very clear that Stabler's anger issues, pig-headedness and tendency to bully people anger Huang. A fan/fic writer would have to disregard the two characters' interactions with one another in the SVU canon in order to invent this romance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
    But you kept on going right to the end, didntcha?
    Only up to the point of penetration

    Quote Originally Posted by Civic View Post
    Stabler and Huang together? That is just so wrong on so many levels. Among other things, while Huang respects Stabler as a colleague, he doesn't like him as a person. The show's writers have made it very clear that Stabler's anger issues, pig-headedness and tendency to bully people anger Huang. A fan/fic writer would have to disregard the two characters' interactions with one another in the SVU canon in order to invent this romance.
    The story dealt with Stabler denying, then admitting to a shrink, his romantic feelings toward Huang, despite their dynamic differences. It was ill-conceived to me; maybe because it's my favorite show and the characters are so ingrained in my head a certain way; to perceive them as different as they are already written is not easy...

    And yes, I've read the Benson/Cabot pairings. For some reason, they seem more believable than Stabler and Huang.

    I'd much rather it be Stabler and Rex....

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiruwater View Post
    I know anecdotes don't always mean much, but from personal experience with a large number of friends and on various websites, etc., straight women definitely find romances between two men to be a huge turn-on. If they're willing to admit it, at least.
    M/M is so hot. I freely admit it! I just love seeing guys cuddle, and if it's two guys cuddling, it's twice as nice!

    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    I know tons of straight women who think man on man action is a big turn on. They admit to seeking out gay porn when they want to look at porn. They probably are more free to admit this to a gay guy than their other straight friends.
    Gay porn also has guys, whereas straight porn has guys!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rex View Post
    Actually, Civic, I cannot tell; most of what I've read, str8 woman or gay man and everyone in between, is just bad stuff. I read one slash fanfic on Law & Order: SVU where Stabler and Huang fell in love and it was just awful, awful stuff.
    Ooh, I would ship that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post
    But that would be two separate sources verifying that a lot of straight men like BBW porn. That does not necessarily mean that they like BBWs themselves.
    I think it's the boobs. That's probably also why pregnant women porn is also popular.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rex View Post
    most of what I've read... is just bad stuff.
    I think that's true of most fan fiction, slash or otherwise. (Though I've never read slash so I have no idea if it's much worse overall.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Civic View Post
    A fan/fic writer would have to disregard the two characters' interactions with one another in the SVU canon in order to invent this romance.
    You don't read much fan fic, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMadame View Post
    I think it's the boobs. That's probably also why pregnant women porn is also popular.


    I think that's true of most fan fiction, slash or otherwise. (Though I've never read slash so I have no idea if it's much worse overall.)


    You don't read much fan fic, do you?
    The only fan fic I've read was some of the Star Trek Deep Space 9 stuff. The most interesting fan fic romances from DS9 were the ones between Dr. Bashir and Garan (sp?) and Major Kyra and Gul Dukat. In the DS9 canon Gul Dukat (who had a weakness for Bajoran women) was attracted to Kyra. He wasn't above using Kyra's fondness for Zeyal, his half-Bajoran daughter to worm his way into Kyra's life. Kyra didn't return his feelings but they did occasionally work well together when she was able to overlook her enmity towards him.

    The idea of romance between Dr. Bashir and Garan isn't as nearly out there as one between Stabler and Huang. For one thing, Bashir and Garan were friends in DS9 canon. Also, in the DS9 canon Garan did come on very strong to Bashir the first time they met. I wouldn't necessarily say he was hitting on him but his effusiveness and the way he intruded into Bashir's personal space obviously made the other man uncomfortable. After Garan left, Bashir had a "What the heck just happened?" expression.

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    Stabler and Huang isn't even on the top 100 of weird fanfic pairings I've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex View Post
    Actually, Civic, I cannot tell; most of what I've read, str8 woman or gay man and everyone in between, is just bad stuff. I read one slash fanfic on Law & Order: SVU where Stabler and Huang fell in love and it was just awful, awful stuff.
    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaTurtles View Post
    What is it about SVU? I've heard there is a large fanfic base of Benson/Cabot shippers.
    Quote Originally Posted by michiruwater View Post
    Oh yeah, Benson/Cabot has always been huge. There were so many shippers even the writers knew about it and would throw in little fanservice scenes. I used to remember what episodes they were in but I was a fan like 6 years ago.
    I've never read any slash fanfic, but I can't tell you how many comments I've read on discussion boards re: shipping Stabler/Huang and Benson/Cabot.

    Another popular one seems to be House/Wilson on House, MD. IIRC, there was also some Thirteen/Cutthroat Bitch shipping as well.

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    There is a whole genre in Japan devoted to fiction/manga for women who like man on man romance called "Yaoi"/"Boys Love".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi
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