Actually, the way COP is set up, there's very little incentive to do a brutally hard/impossible combo like a 4t-4t or 3A-4T
That would be a much more practical format in which to encourage skaters to push the envelope with rotations and combos that take too much out of them to perform in the middle (beginning) of a fully loaded competitive freeskate.
I don't blame Plushenko for rolling out every weapon in his arsenal to stay at the top. In fact, it makes it more fun. Everyone thinks they're getting close to even with him in the jump department...BANG, he raises the bar again.
He knows he needs the giant TES scores because he'll never get the sort of PCS that Chan gets. He could put in every transition in existence, have the most beautiful choreo ever made, interpret it perfectly, and he'd never get the PCS scores that Chan does. There's nothing wrong with him trying to compensate for his PCS with his TES.
So while I do fret about his knee somewhat, if he wants to push the jumps to another level and throw down the gauntlet to the others, why not. Go right ahead! It will be fabulous!
I think if anyone could do a 4toe/4toe it would be Chan. His 4toe is about as easy as they come and his landings are lighter than Plushenkos so I feel he carries his momentum into the next jump better than anyone else.
That being said, I would never work on it. Just do two separate quads if you want 2 quads in the program. It probably is not worth the few extra points to do them together and of course your chances of getting them verified are pretty slim. It might be worth it some day if the ISU ever comes to their senses and gives the 2nd jump in combinations a higher factoring.
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The video of 3A/4T by Plushenko dates back to 2009. Chan wasn't doing two quads in his LP at this time. In 2009, #1 and #2 at Worlds were quadless.
And do you really believe that Plushenko will be back anytime soon with a 3A/4T, with the hope of beating Chan ?
^ does anyone have hope to beat Chan after these Worlds?
Plushenko is coming back. This has been verified many, many, many times by the ISU, the RFS, and Plushenko himself. I am sick to death of repeating myself. When will people get it through their thick skulls that he was not banned for life?
I'm sure if he is capable of doing it, he will try the 3A-4T in competition. And why not? He wants to win, he wants to be the best, and if it means raising the bar a few notches higher, so be it.
The fact that that 3A-4T attempt is from 2009, when he was out of shape and in a fair amount of pain, only makes it much more impressive in my eyes.
Plushenko is in great shape at the moment, training hard, and working on his new competition programs, to be debuted at a show this month (or next, translation wasn't 100% clear on the date). He's remastered his 4S, and apparently is just about there with his 4Lo and 4Lz. He's been working with new choreographers, including Zhulin and a ballet dancer, and has fixed some of the problems haters like to pick on, including the height of his sit spin.
He's going to be 100% competitive this season, he's going to take the fight to Chan, and he's going to love every second of it.
I don't think the question was if he was banned for life. I think the question is will he choose to come back still.
Has he ever landed the 4S in competition?
Meanwhile, Chan's going to seriously start practicing both the 4F and 4Lz. He says he'll wait until he has an 80% success rate with either before putting them in a program.
1 4T+3T 13.0 0.80 2 1 0 1 1 2 1 1 0 1 - - 13.80
2 3Lz 6.0 1.40 1 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 - - 7.40
3 3Lo 5.0 1.40 1 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 - - 6.40
4 3A 7.5 1.60 2 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 2 2 - - 9.10
5 3Lz+2T 7.3 -0.20 0 7.10 1 0 0 -1 0 0 0 -1 0 - - 7.10
6 3A+COMBO 7.5 -2.00 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -1 -2 -2 -2 -1 - 5.50
7 2T 1.3 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - - 1.30
8 3F 6.1x -0.20 0 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 -1 0 - - 5.90
9 CCoSp1 2.0 0.40 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 1 -1 0 - - 2.40
10 CiSt1 1.8 0.80 1 1 2 2 0 2 1 1 2 1 - - 2.60
11 3S* 0.0 0.00 1 2 1 1 0 1 1 1 0 1 - - 0.00
12 FCSp3 2.3 0.50 0 1 1 1 1 1 0 2 0 1 - - 2.80
13 SlSt2 2.3 0.70 1 1 2 2 0 2 0 0 2 1 - - 3.00
14 FSSp3 2.3 0.10 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 - - 2.40
15 CCoSp1 2.0 0.80 1 2 1 1 0 2 0 2 2 1 - - 2.80
Yes but I said Russia Cup series, not Cup of Russia. September, Sarmanka I think, cant spell the city!
You were sure Plushenko wouldnt be back for Vancouver alsoI think he came back to pick on you!
I didn't think they meant the official COR of 2005 but rather one of the Russian competitions also called Cup of Russia
ETA - I knew it!
Also Gachinski said his 3 loop issues came from practicing 4 loops.
Patrick recently said he's going to start practicing a 4f and/or 4lz, though he won't include it until it's 80%. He said that he was motivated by Dai's attempts at the 4f. With the height and ease of his jumps, I could see Patrick having one of the above in a competitive program within the next two years, especially if he keeps improving his content difficulty like he has been. It's insane to think that just one year ago he didn't have a quad. Now he lands 3 in competition, and it's probably his best jump.
Let's stop perpetuating a myth that poor Plushenko's marks are held down in any way, shape or form!
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