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    Maria Butyrskaya's triple-triples video

    Here is my next video with triple-triples. This time Maria Butyrskaya
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN5cFTarbn4

    Please enjoy, share & comment!

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    Boy, she really uses her arms on those salchows.

    ....not really a triple triple, but I think she tried a double lutz-triple toe at Skate America in 1996. It was in the short program and likely intended to be a triple lutz-double toe. I'm not sure if she practiced other triple-triples.

    Somewhere there is a video of her landing a triple axel at 1996 Worlds.
    It was in an exhibition practice and Dick and Peggy were introducing the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clay View Post
    Boy, she really uses her arms on those salchows.

    ....not really a triple triple, but I think she tried a double lutz-triple toe at Skate America in 1996. It was in the short program and likely intended to be a triple lutz-double toe. I'm not sure if she practiced other triple-triples.

    Somewhere there is a video of her landing a triple axel at 1996 Worlds.
    It was in an exhibition practice and Dick and Peggy were introducing the program.
    Wow, never knew she landed triple axel. She wasn't the best jumper out there and I'm surprised she tried such a difficult jump. According to commentators she intended to land triple lutz-triple toe at Sparkassen Cup 2001 but didn't manage to throw another jump after lutz because of bad landing. Maybe she tried that at Trophee Lalique 2001 but I don't have the video.

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    Maria was not the greatest jumper in history, but her landing positions were defenitely a beauty!

    You should make one with Joannie Rochette, she owns the 3toe/half loop/3sal combo

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinhood View Post
    Maria was not the greatest jumper in history, but her landing positions were defenitely a beauty!

    You should make one with Joannie Rochette, she owns the 3toe/half loop/3sal combo
    I will make it after I finish one with Tara Lipinski's combos . Btw, I wonder what is more difficult, 3toe/half loop/3sal or 3sal/3toe?

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    I definately think the 3t-1/2lo-3s is probably more difficult. It is really difficult to maintain the flow and momentum after doing the 1/2lo. I noticed that she never really held the landing after the 3toe which didn't give a nice edge to the 1/2lo. I would be interested is seeing what Rochette did if you are going to make a clip of that.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    I definately think the 3t-1/2lo-3s is probably more difficult. It is really difficult to maintain the flow and momentum after doing the 1/2lo. I noticed that she never really held the landing after the 3toe which didn't give a nice edge to the 1/2lo. I would be interested is seeing what Rochette did if you are going to make a clip of that.
    Joannie's best 3toe+1loop+3Salchow IMO was in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faY2G56ZF2E

    It was also spectacular when she did it at the 2010 Japan Open earlier this season! I can't locate the video for that performance now though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinhood View Post
    Maria was not the greatest jumper in history, but her landing positions were defenitely a beauty!

    You should make one with Joannie Rochette, she owns the 3toe/half loop/3sal combo
    oh my god, please, her landing was at the very best just OK. If your definition of beautiful landing is stiff landing and ugly position, then you would make a wonderful technical specialist for speady.

    And what was that comment from her in the video?!!! She really thought that if she landed all her jumps, she would be unbeatable!! Yeah right maria Maybe if your "always" corrupted federation help you, but otherwise, absolutely NO. The key word was "If", which never or rarely happened cause she always choke like sacha cohen.

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    I love her true triple lutz
    And her Otonal program

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    I love her true triple lutz.
    Here here (or is it Hear hear?)!! A thing of beauty when landed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chmea View Post
    oh my god, please, her landing was at the very best just OK. If your definition of beautiful landing is stiff landing and ugly position, then you would make a wonderful technical specialist for speady.

    And what was that comment from her in the video?!!! She really thought that if she landed all her jumps, she would be unbeatable!! Yeah right maria Maybe if your "always" corrupted federation help you, but otherwise, absolutely NO. The key word was "If", which never or rarely happened cause she always choke like sacha cohen.
    wow! some venom inside there

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    IMO, Surya Bonaly owns the 3Toe/half-loop/3Sal. But anyway, that was good from Maria to attempt it. Even if I've never liked her Salchow, forced with her arms.

    I also think 3T/half-loop/3S is more difficult than 3S/3T. Because it's easier to rebond by using the speed of the 3S. But that's just my opinion since I will never attempt this combo !

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    Commentators occasionally suggested that Maria would try a triple lutz - triple toe in the SP but I've never seen her attempt one. IMO, the 3toe 1/2 loop 3 salchow was a good choice for her as she often had trouble on the landings of her triples and even following with the double toe was not as easy. The extra half loop gave her a chance to obtain a good take-off edge for her salchow - and some of the sequences in the video are done very nicely! Thanks for compiling these videos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelK View Post
    Commentators occasionally suggested that Maria would try a triple lutz - triple toe in the SP but I've never seen her attempt one. IMO, the 3toe 1/2 loop 3 salchow was a good choice for her as she often had trouble on the landings of her triples and even following with the double toe was not as easy. The extra half loop gave her a chance to obtain a good take-off edge for her salchow - and some of the sequences in the video are done very nicely! Thanks for compiling these videos!
    And I remember french commentators talking about her attempting 3Flip/3Toe and 3Axel at practices ! I've never seen that, and I don't know if that was true.

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    Maria was always one of my fave's but SO many errors really cost her a lot of gold medals.
    Check out her Euro 1998 freeskate & NHK Trophy 2000 freeskate. She was fantastic there.
    And my fave women's short programme ever the 2000 World's in Nice.
    A classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    Joannie's best 3toe+1loop+3Salchow IMO was in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faY2G56ZF2E

    It was also spectacular when she did it at the 2010 Japan Open earlier this season! I can't locate the video for that performance now though.
    Thanks for posting that one. I just love that program. That combination was really good though. It had much better flow than Maria's and was more effortless.

    I suppose to get onto the 1/2lo you have to cut the landing edge short on the landing of the 3t. Joannie's looked a lot more controlled than Maria's.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PashaFan View Post
    Maria was always one of my fave's but SO many errors really cost her a lot of gold medals.
    Medals maybe but gold medals. These are the only events I can think of where Maria could have possibly won gold without her errors:

    2000 Worlds
    2001 Europeans (maybe)
    1999 Grand Prix final
    1998 Nations Cup or Lalique (forget which one, but the one Sokolova won)
    1997 Skate Canada (maybe, only since Kwan had some major errors as she wasnt even a remote rival otherwise back then)

    And that is all unless you have any other suggestions. Hardly alot in the grand scheme of things of her long career. Although had she skated a clean LP and defended her World title at the 2000 Worlds it would have opened up alot of doors for her the final 2 seasons which all but shut on the aging skater at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Medals maybe but gold medals. These are the only events I can think of where Maria could have possibly won gold without her errors:

    2000 Worlds
    2001 Europeans (maybe)
    1999 Grand Prix final
    1998 Nations Cup or Lalique (forget which one, but the one Sokolova won)
    1997 Skate Canada (maybe, only since Kwan had some major errors as she wasnt even a remote rival otherwise back then)

    And that is all unless you have any other suggestions. Hardly alot in the grand scheme of things of her long career. Although had she skated a clean LP and defended her World title at the 2000 Worlds it would have opened up alot of doors for her the final 2 seasons which all but shut on the aging skater at that point.
    The 2000 Europeans, she had errors in the short that really cost her. The qualification round at the World's in 2001, I think she had a good chance at Gold going into those World's. She always got excellent artistic marks & was better with her presentation than Slutskaya & Hughes.
    But hey, three European Gold medals & a World title when most had written her off because of her age is not bad.

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    Maria was a good better edge jumper than toe jumper, her 3loop was her best jump, and her salchow was always very high and full of air, I'm not surprised she went for the 3thalf loop 3 sal combo, instead of a 3t3t or 3z3t. Her lutz was nice when landed, but she almost always had some trouble with the flip.

    I can't recall her ever try a 3z3t in practices or competitions I have seen her in, but of course, that's just a few.

    Her landing knee was always very stiff and it caused her a lot of trouble, but she was a lovely skater, and she really pushed her technical content at a high age, adding a second 3z to her programs (not always landed though) and the 3,3 sequence.

    She was such a headcase with Kudriatsev, I remember 95 euros when she totally fell apart. When she switched to Tchaikovskaya, it was like something fell into place, they seemed like such a good match. Marias Otonal will forever be one of my favourites, when she won in Helsinki I was in tears, she really gave everything for that victory, no holding back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PashaFan View Post
    The 2000 Europeans, she had errors in the short that really cost her. The qualification round at the World's in 2001, I think she had a good chance at Gold going into those World's. She always got excellent artistic marks & was better with her presentation than Slutskaya & Hughes.
    But hey, three European Gold medals & a World title when most had written her off because of her age is not bad.
    At the 2000 Europeans she took herself out of it in the short program, but her long program was one of her best ever and Slutskaya skated cautiously with no triple-triple attempt and still drubbed her. She was never winning there, since Irina was clearly the panels favorite. If she had done that same long program at Worlds that year she would have won however.

    Worlds in 2001? She skated a clean short program and the judges still put her only 5th, which ended up costing her the bronze even with bombing the Q round. She would have still gotten the bronze atleast if she skated better in the Q round, but it doesnt seem the judges considered her a serious threat for gold at that point. Maybe going into the 2001 Grand Prix final she still was.

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