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    Watching old tapes: today- mens fs Salt Lake City 2002

    ....I'm actually in tears while writing this, because I've been watching Sasha Abt...and now I'm watching Yagudin!

    Even though I've watched Sasha's program a zillion times, I had forgot how good his Rachmaninov is... The music suits him perfectly, it's building and lifting, and his flow and glide leaves me speachless. It's not flawless, like at Europeans, but he forgets about his mistakes and moves on, and ends the program wonderfully. wow...I am lost for words. The scratch spin in the end is so great! Some parts of the program is a little bit emtpy maybe, but I don't mind one bit lol

    And Yagudin... the look in his eyes when he starts his program- his fiercness, his emotions, his presence...
    I agree he played it a little safe if you look at the jumping content, but there's nothing watered down or holding back about the program, he goes for absolutely every element 110%. his 3a is SO HUGE and clean, his quads are perfect, with so much speed, his flying sit is brilliant, and he's so into the performance it's incredible! that's all the reasons he's my all time favourite.

    I love how he's kissing the ice, I love how he's kneeling to Tarasova, I love how she's jumping and skating with him by the boards all the way through his program, and I love his joy in the k&c.

    sigh....

    My favourite fs quote ever, by TAT:
    - I'm so happy about Alexei, because he's great, he's great natural talent, and he win today, and he's real olympic champion, and he skate well, he..he very artistically, and he loves public, and public loves him, it's wonderful, today is great day for figure skating!!

    How can I write anything more. Will do later, when I catch my breath again!

    Goeble was awsome, I have to say it, even though a little stiff, his quads so clean, such a strong guy! his 3a from a spread eagle, his 3l from hydroblading, 4.20 somthing into the program...wow!

    and Honda...the best Aranjuez ever! wish he could have had a medal too!

    Plushy's choreography I don't like, but his presence and command of the ice is marvelous, and the jumps-wow again! his 3a-3f is one of a kind!

    ...now the Russian national anthem is playing on my good ol' vcr! Alexei is smiling! what a guy!!

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    Ugh! Hamilton's commentary is so obnoxious and ludicrous. Every time these videos resurface, so does my anger over the commentary. "5.5, 5.6, 5.7 (said with emphasis as if he were reading 5.9s and 5.8s) are high for what he did" about Sasha's LP. Give me a fracking break! You'd think by his commentary that Abt wiped the ice, but he only fell once on what was to have been a 4toe+3toe combination, and the turn-out on the 3Lutz was a minor error. He also shows far too much glee and national bias for Abt's misfortunes that result in a medal for Goebel, and continues to go on and on about it through the entire video. YUCK!

    I think the only result that would have made Scott completely satisfied would have been for Tim to have won the gold medal since in Hamilton's asinine mind, he even out-skated the great Yagudin.

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    Revisiting the men's long programs at SLC brought back great memories, just fabulous! Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    Ugh! Hamilton's commentary is so obnoxious and ludicrous. Every time these videos resurface, so does my anger over the commentary. "5.5, 5.6, 5.7 (said with emphasis as if he were reading 5.9s and 5.8s) are high for what he did" about Sasha's LP. Give me a fracking break! You'd think by his commentary that Abt wiped the ice, but he only fell once on what was to have been a 4toe+3toe combination, and the turn-out on the 3Lutz was a minor error. He also shows far too much glee and national bias for Abt's misfortunes that result in a medal for Goebel, and continues to go on and on about it through the entire video. YUCK!

    I think the only result that would have made Scott completely satisfied would have been for Tim to have won the gold medal since in Hamilton's asinine mind, he even out-skated the great Yagudin.
    ITA!! his commentary is so totally horrid, I wish there was other videos available.... as I said in another thread; bad commentary can really ruin a great moment!
    I have SVT commentary on my tapes, they are great, thankfully!

    btw, I really want to mention Kevin van der Perren, who skated without mistakes, both in the short and the long program! what a wonderful experience for him! as been said earlier, this competitioned oozed of quality!

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    Seeing this Plushenko program makes me dislike him a little less. In 2006, even though he won gold, and especially now/2010, he's a shadow of his former self. He actually showed some expression in his LP in 2002. The only thing I didn't like is that his jumps were kind of telegraphed a lot, more so than Yagudin anyway.

    I think Yagudin was deserving of the OGM overall, even though he was a little slow in parts (one of the footwork sequences, mainly, I have seen him faster).

    I didn't re-watch Elvis this time but I've seen this program quite a few times and it's always heartbreaking to watch. I think he was undermarked a bit in both the SP and the LP at this Olympics, not to say that he deserved a medal but maybe should have been moved up a couple of spots.

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    The LP portion was very anti-climatic after such a strong SP competition. In particular, Honda failing to deliver while he had such strong programs that season was heart-breaking. And if Abt had skated like he did at Euros, he really would deserve the bronze, if not the silver.

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    Thank you so much (again!) for all these sweet memories, SmallFairy! Also thanks for taking the Japanese coverage in Yagudin's case, I guess we all know why!

    Quote Originally Posted by SmallFairy View Post
    And Yagudin... the look in his eyes when he starts his program- his fiercness, his emotions, his presence...
    Yeah, he looked like he was going to pilot the Concorde at that particular moment; but later, in the KnC, before his marks came up, he looked like an almost anxious little boy, waiting for Santa Claus to come!

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    Yagudin was so emotional about skating.. it's sort of cute in a way.. better than Plushenko's cold arrogance

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    .. better than Plushenko's cold arrogance
    Plush is everywhere. In all threads.

    You go, old boy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    Plush is everywhere. In all threads.

    You go, old boy!
    well, it's not so strange he's in this thread, is it...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    Yagudin was so emotional about skating.. it's sort of cute in a way.. better than Plushenko's cold arrogance
    *yawn* It's getting old. Methinks some people doth protest too much. Plushy obviously has a lot of closet fans.


    Has it occurred to you that Plushenko and Yagudin just express their emotions differently? Yags wore his skating heart on his sleeve. There's nothing wrong with that. Plushy kept his skating heart close to his chest. There's nothing wrong with that, either. Yags' emotion and passion is very obvious. Plushenko's is more subtle. He shows passion and emotion by the intensity of his skating. His SLC LP is a great example of that - fearlessness, desperation, DETERMINATION. He knew he had nothing to lose and went full throttle. Did it work? No. Was it great to watch? HELL YES.



    I feel absolutely distraught for Sasha here. He was such a beautiful elegant skater and I really think he should have medalled here. His LP wasn't even that much of a disaster really. Unfortunately, I don't think the ISU/judges could handle the thought of a Russian 1-2-3 on American soil...

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    I think the 6.0s for Alexei in the LP were as much for the SP as anything else
    Keeper of Nathalie Pechelat's bitchface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    Plush is everywhere. In all threads.

    You go, old boy!
    Well, since this thread is about SLC Olympic Men's LP it's not that surprising that his name has been mentioned, although not on 1st place ... At least I'm glad you're so easy to please!

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    Apart from that, and looking at it from today's perspective:Wouldn't it have been great, if both, Yagudin & Plushenko, would've gone in the LP head to head? What a monster of competition that would've been! Although the thrill would've probably killed me.

    Otoh I've no doubt Yags would've made in anyway!

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    Plush doubled the 3s and stepped out of his 4-3-3, so he definitely deserved 2nd and not 1st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    *yawn* It's getting old. Methinks some people doth protest too much. Plushy obviously has a lot of closet fans.


    Has it occurred to you that Plushenko and Yagudin just express their emotions differently? Yags wore his skating heart on his sleeve. There's nothing wrong with that. Plushy kept his skating heart close to his chest. There's nothing wrong with that, either. Yags' emotion and passion is very obvious. Plushenko's is more subtle. He shows passion and emotion by the intensity of his skating. His SLC LP is a great example of that - fearlessness, desperation, DETERMINATION. He knew he had nothing to lose and went full throttle. Did it work? No. Was it great to watch? HELL YES.



    I feel absolutely distraught for Sasha here. He was such a beautiful elegant skater and I really think he should have medalled here. His LP wasn't even that much of a disaster really. Unfortunately, I don't think the ISU/judges could handle the thought of a Russian 1-2-3 on American soil...
    Thank you, you described both Yagudin and Plushenko perfectly! I was never a fan of Plush, in fact, his style drove me nuts, but I could never object to all the things you mentioned, and one had to admire them.

    I will never get over the fact that Sasha didn't medal, though with his reputation, hell would have to freeze over before it happened. The judges never liked him, and were never going to give him the marks he deserved.
    At Euros in Lausanne just a month before the olympics, he was the clear winner, skating flawless in qualifying, sp and lp, while Yagudin made several mistakes in his lp, f.i. failing to land his 3loop cleanly despite several attempts. I was there in the rink that night, and the entire audience was sure Sasha had won, it was electric, and I remember I thought: finally! Finally he gets the recognition he deserves.
    Clearly, the judges thought otherwise, it was a 3-6 decision, if I remember correctly. I'll never get over it, it was politicing at it's worst. They had made up their mind, Sasha should never win anything. Period.

    In Salt Lake, he skated SO WELL in the sp, and still he was placed behind Plush, who fell.
    In the fs he unfortunately made a few mistakes, and I can understand the fact that he didn't medal, considering how well Goebel skated, but come on, the Finnish judge wanted Sahsa in tenth place what was that??

    (and at worlds a month later...the judges gave his bronze medal to Honda it's a wonder I am still alive!!)

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    I am also a huge fan of Abt, but I don't know all the politics. He was definitely my second favorite behind Yagudin-I was there in person, and his LP was exquisite. Just gorgeous. I also loved Honda's program, mistakes and all. I would have them Yagudin, Abt, Plushenko just based on my own personal response...which is definitely NOT how they do things!

    But anyway-why the Abt-hate from the judges?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holley Calmes View Post
    But anyway-why the Abt-hate from the judges?
    He had every single jump crammed into the corners of the rink, even the easiest ones like the toe and sal.

    The end of the program was just him skating back and forth between each corner of the rink doing jumps. He was going to get knocked for program construction.

    Having said that, he was probably the most superior overall skater there, or at least in the final group.

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    He was beautiful-both as a skater and as a very handsome guy. I had a huge crush.

    Where is he now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holley Calmes View Post

    But anyway-why the Abt-hate from the judges?
    Not just from the judges. Remember when Abt was in the K&C with his coach at SLC after his free skate, and the only person the NBC cameras and commentators could focus on for those minutes was a shot of Tim Goeble standing at the barrier waiting to hear the scores ? Poor Abt; He was like the Rodney Dangerfield of male figure skating.


    I wonder what happened to Tim's 3A and quads after 2003? I wasn't like he lost those jumps, because he grew hips and breasts.

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