And besides, I didn't say they were all about jumps. Jeez, here we go again. If they want to be "more than just that", that's great. I just don't get why they become sth else instead of that. Yagudin and some others from that period showed it was possible to combine jumps with emotion and artistry.
Besides, it's not only that Lysacek didn't have any quads. If he had been an artistry and emotion master, I would have welcomed his gold over Plush's total lack of choreography. The problem is, he was neither a jumper, nor an artist. This is really not the kind of Olympic champ I wanna see after seing Yags - or even after seing Lambiel win silver in 2006.
Or, to put it another way, if you look at say, Plushenko's Skate America LP from 1997...it's about the same level of technical. With the added difficulty that Plushenko was fourteen-about-to-turn-fifteen.
I don't skate to collect points, I don't skate to earn badges or pass tests or earn approval (although I certainly pass my tests and collect my badges). I skate for the thrill of doing something challenging, learning something new. I almost LIKE it when I can't do something, because it means I have to push myself. I think a lot of this generation of skaters is forgetting why they skate in the first place.
Why this is suddenly became Lysacek defence thread? LOL
And as the original poster pointed out 2002 had far more than Yagudin.
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Zoltan Toth skated a very romantic and tender program to tinkly piano music...and out of the blue came the quad! wow!
we also still had some of the "old-school" guys; Rylov, Dmitrenko, Eldredge, Skorniakov...you almost felt they were from another era, and I miss them now! (Vlaschenko should have been there too, that would've been fab!)
On Yagudin and Abt, I can go on gushing forever***
Now, Daisuke is carrying their legacy
Skating a program full of all of the above is much more risky than skating a simple program with the same jump content. How much some of the above makes up for including one quad vs. leaving it out (assuming one is capable of attempting one) is up for debate. But I think it's fair to say that in 2010 Plushenko left out a lot more of that stuff than he had in 2002, even accounting for the change of rules and judging system.
I forgot how great Yagudin's "Winter" is.
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Would this be a poll for elite skaters -- how would we get them to respond? Or FSU posters, many of whom skate or used to skate at low, middle, or high levels, but the elite skaters who read or post here will mostly not self-identify.
Ahhh, that is one of my favorite competitions ever! The memory that immediately pops to my mind is Honda's sheer exuberance while he motors through his step sequences in Don Quixote.
I saw the mens competition too (SP&LP) live in Salt Lake city. It was awesome. I dare say it was the best mens Olympic competition, because there were so many great performances.
I don't think it fair to compare events; too much has changed. Lysacek deserves kudos (again IMO) because he worked on being the best he could be; it isn't his fault that he isn't Yagudin.
And the other problem is that you have to decide whether Figure Skating should be judged from an Olympic perspective. Because then the jumps and other elements should count for all of it since they are the athletic elements of figure skating. But I think it's safe to say we all miss Yagudin.
Yagudin was to me the greatest men's skater, ever. For so many reasons, but that's all personal to me. I'm not talking absolute here, JMO.
However-about this whole "not taking risks" subject: if you go back and watch a number of the videos of Yagudin's MITIM Olympic performance, you can hear, I think Scott Hamilton, talking about how "tentative" he is skating-not his usual "all out" style. He was making sure he made no mistakes.
You don't think Yagudin skated more carefully in the Olympic LP? I'm no big fan of Scott Hamilton, but it made sense to me.
Scott didn't know the hell he was talking about that night. He made it seem like Yagudin left the door open for Plushenko with his performance in the LP.