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    I think what Frau Muller said about the registration in Russia is so true--it's one of the most annoying, time-consuming nonsenses one has to go through in Russia, and the link to the new/improved visa registration process post 2007 does not make it sound any easier. The visa situation alone is enough to make this solo traveler stay away....but I am happy that the Worlds will be happening, and if Moscow is the host, then be it!

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    Back to worlds, I think this article as a new hint: http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/...e_8368957.html

    The ISU council will vote Wednesday or Thursday on the site and determine the dates in late April or early May. There are 11 members of the council but Cinquanta will only vote if there's a tie.

    "Russia is a big country for skating," Cinquanta said. "Russia's is a strong bid, just like the others."
    And here Cinquanta's words are reported also differently. Here it seems he just say "nothing is already decided, we won't do too much favoritism, keep the suspence"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MorganaLefay View Post
    I think what Frau Muller said about the registration in Russia is so true--it's one of the most annoying, time-consuming nonsenses one has to go through in Russia,...!
    Absolutely - and thanks for the back-up...because any US citizen who has tried to enter Russia as an 'independent tourist' knows this. Maybe EU citizens have it easier.

    As for hotel cost - I just searched Expedia.com and the cheapest true hotel (not hostel or 'apartment-hotel') in central Moscow during the dates for Worlds is the 2-star Melody Hotel at $180/night, bkfast included.
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    oh my...if it will be Moscow, I could get a cheap plane ticket and stay with my friend...only trouble is the darn Visa grrrrr! I can't get it in time if I don't book a hotel or hostel... The "friend come and visit" way takes faaaaar to long!

    I pray for Finland lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmallFairy View Post
    oh my...if it will be Moscow, I could get a cheap plane ticket and stay with my friend...only trouble is the darn Visa grrrrr! I can't get it in time if I don't book a hotel or hostel... The "friend come and visit" way takes faaaaar to long!....
    If it is Moscow....Don't forget my little "hostel visa trick" to come in with a Tourist Visa, which can be obtained faster. (wink)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kia_4EverOnIce View Post
    Here it seems he just say "nothing is already decided, we won't do too much favoritism, keep the suspence"
    Yes, we are his kindergarten and he is the wizard!

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    Apparently, Canada's bid (Vancouver) is another "ghost bid" like Helsinki. Speedy must have been up late yesterday encouraging a bunch of federations to bid to make it look like there was a true competition. LOL!

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    Skate Canada CEO says he doesn't expect ISU to select Vancouver as new host of 2011 world figs. http://bit.ly/eM6SyO


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    Skate Canada release:
    http://www.skatebuzz.com/ViewNewsArt...5-8d87bd707c58

    LOL - I knew Canada would go with Vancouver
    “After reviewing all of the possibilities, Skate Canada has submitted a bid to the ISU to host the event in Canada, in Vancouver at the PNE’s Pacific Coliseum with a time frame of April 18-24 or May 16-22, 2011. We appreciate all of the offers that came to us, on very short notice, but the best combination of hotel space, arena availability and transportation systems was Vancouver, and we have provided that option to the ISU for consideration.
    But clearly Canada would prefer it goes elsewhere:
    “Since we are already preparing to host two other major ISU events in the near future, the ISU Grand Prix Final of Figure Skating, 2011 and the ISU World Figure Skating Championships, 2013, we are not expecting to be awarded the event but did wish to provide the ISU with Vancouver as an option”, added Thompson. “We are fully prepared to host this event if the ISU chooses Canada, but have also offered to assist the ISU in any way possible with the planning of the event should the ISU choose another federation to host.”
    Personally, I will be shocked if it isn't held in Russia.

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    http://www.skatecanada.ca/AboutUs/NewsDetails/tabid/2157/sni[2797]/720/language/en-US/Default.aspx

    Skate Canada is submitting Vancouver and the PNE's Pacific Coliseum, where the 2010 olympic figure skating events were held. It is the best location out of all the submittions in Canada that fits the needs and requirements the ISU has set. It sent a bid based on the ISU's request, however since it is already hosting the 2011 GPF and 2013 WC, it doesn't intend to host unless the ISU chooses it too, and promises it will be fully capable of hosting the event. Skate canada also offers support tothe ISU in anyway if it however chooses another federation to host.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martyross View Post
    My heart skipped a beat when I clicked on that link and saw Pluschenko

    Please don't let a Pluschenko reinstatement be a thank you to Russia for hosting this event
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    The ultimate question as to what the ISU must do into return in order to procure a non-cost bid came up between me and my skating fan friends. Was it in return for the reinstatement of Evgeniy Plushenko so that he could skate in Sochi?
    At a minimum it is barter and gives new meaning to the term, "human capital".

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    Let the conspiracies begin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by millipied View Post
    Let the conspiracies begin.
    Not conspiracies but the reality of politics and negotiation. After all, Russia has to get something out of this besides whatever revenue flows they might generate from attendance to offset the $5 million+ price tag.

    You might be saying that I am being jaded, and perhaps I am, but I'm also being realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frau Muller View Post
    Absolutely - and thanks for the back-up...because any US citizen who has tried to enter Russia as an 'independent tourist' knows this. Maybe EU citizens have it easier.
    I'm a US citizen and went last year (independently) and everything was pretty easy. Provided that you're staying at a hotel (which most tourists do) the hotel registers you which means giving them your passport for about 15 minutes. As for the invitation, there are plenty of travel agencies that will issue you an invitation, take care of delivering and picking up your passport and application from the consulate, and proof read your application for you, all for about $50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk9tingfan View Post
    Not conspiracies but the reality of politics and negotiation. After all, Russia has to get something out of this besides whatever revenue flows they might generate from attendance to offset the $5 million+ price tag.

    You might be saying that I am being jaded, and perhaps I am, but I'm also being realistic.
    Realistic of what? What negotiation? Were you part of any?
    I just wonder what kind of deal Croatia is trying to make?

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    If travelling lets remember that the event is in 5 weeks, its spring time, good luck finding cheap accomodations and cheap flights! in addition to completing travel documentation where necessary on time, approval of time off from employment.

    I think when putin says its relatively inexpensive it because 5 million+ to host the event is nothing compared to the 36 billion+ (US) they are spending on the 2014 sochi olympics and the estimated 5 billion for the 2017 confederation/2018 world cup(remember sochi's original estimated costs were only 6 billion)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie View Post
    I'm a US citizen and went last year (independently) and everything was pretty easy. Provided that you're staying at a hotel (which most tourists do) the hotel registers you which means giving them your passport for about 15 minutes. .....
    Moscow Hotels are among the most expensive on earth. (See US Dept of State Per Diem rates: RUSSIA Moscow Lodging $308 + M&IE (meals & incidentals, 1 day)$115 = $423 .) When I travel independently, it means home stays or renting apartments. To do that in Russia, must have a Home Stay Visa, which is a hassle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedwig View Post
    I am at someone suggesting that tours are cheaper and most people travel to Worlds in tour groups.
    I never join tour groups because I can always find a better, much more cheaper and more agreeable way myself.
    Yes, sometimes it takes a bit of organizing and hassle which some people seem to be to spoiled to but don't impose your standards on the rest of us.
    Lord, who would say this? I started out in tour groups to get the hang of it. Enjoyed them a lot, but weaned myself when the Worlds in Washington price came through at something like 4,000+. I cancelled and ended up spending around $1500 without even trying to go budget. After that I went myself, saved a ton, got perfectly fine seats and nice hotels close to the arena. I'd pay a little bit for no-hassle, but they priced themselves out of my existence.

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    I hope there are no deals being made either. There shouldn't be but let's cross our fingers. I'd rather have no worlds then go back to corruption or even the perception of corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marbri View Post
    My heart skipped a beat when I clicked on that link and saw Pluschenko

    Please don't let a Pluschenko reinstatement be a thank you to Russia for hosting this event
    Exactly as I mentioned earlier in my half-joking post about Piseev and his Alfa Bank withdrawals. Maybe not Plushy's reinstatement but, say, perhaps we will see the 'sudden surprise gold medals' for Bobrova/Soloviev...or a podium placement for Artur Gashinksy? If there are clear winners, dirty doings cannot happen, but if things are really close....

    With Russia's generous offer it will be a bit tougher to question Piseev's games, if games do happen.

    Even with that - it's preferable to have a Worlds anywhere, than to not have one. Even if a sekret camera catches Piseev tapping his foot behind the Caller (Tech Specialist)!

    Bottom Line: What matters most is to have a Worlds 2011!
    Last edited by Frau Muller; 03-22-2011 at 08:18 PM.
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