View Poll Results: Womens Olympic Gold class vs Non Olympic Gold class- which is stronger

Voters
104. You may not vote on this poll
  • Olympic Gold group

    33 31.73%
  • non Olympic Gold group

    71 68.27%
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 40
  1. #1
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    22
    Posts
    12,985
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0

    Womens Olympic Gold Class vs Non Gold Class

    It is interesting to wonder but if you put the Womens Olympic Gold class vs the best of the Non Gold class which is the stronger overall group.


    Olympic Gold Team:

    Madge Syder
    Madga Julin
    Herma Szabo
    Sonja Henjie
    Barbara Ann Scott
    Jeanette Altwegg
    Tenley Albright
    Carol Heiss
    Sjouke Dijkstra
    Peggy Fleming
    Trixi Schuba
    Dorothy Hamil
    Annett Poetzsch
    Katarina Witt
    Kristi Yamaguchi
    Oksana Baiul
    Tara Lipinski
    Sarah Hughes
    Shizuka Arakawa
    Yu Na Kim

    So that is 20 women. So lets say put them up against the best 20 skaters to never win the Olympic Gold medal. Mine would be something like this group:

    Midori Ito
    Mao Asada
    Michelle Kwan
    Irina Slutskaya
    Cecilia Colledge
    Karen Magnussen
    Janet Lynn
    Linda Fratianne
    Denise Biellmann
    Rosalynn Sumners
    Debi Thomas
    Elaine Zayak
    Gaby Seyfert
    Lu Chen
    Yuka Sato
    Maribel Vinson Owen
    Christine Errrath
    Sasha Cohen
    Nancy Kerrigan
    Aja Zanova

    Which is the stronger overall group.

  2. #2

    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Posts
    7,344
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    As determined by what rules? Are triples required? School figures?

    Certainly, I think Michelle Kwan can jump rings around Henie ... but I don't know how good MK is at figures.

  3. #3
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    22
    Posts
    12,985
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by attyfan View Post
    As determined by what rules? Are triples required? School figures?

    Certainly, I think Michelle Kwan can jump rings around Henie ... but I don't know how good MK is at figures.
    How about just overall which group in totality has made more impact on skating. There are alot of people from the figures era and non figures era on both lists so one could compare:

    Henjie vs Colledge
    Fleming and Hamill vs Lynn and Fratianne
    Poetzsch vs Errath
    Kwan and Asada and Ito vs Yamaguchi and Kim and Lipinski

    I find it intriguing since I am pretty sure this is the only one of the 4 disciplines you could seriously ask such a question.

  4. #4
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    1,756
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    I haven't really watched a lot of the older skaters skate, but I will go by olympics:

    2010: Kim Yu-Na definitely outclassed everyone else in the Olympics.
    2006: I'd have to go with the non-gold class here. I loved Sasha Cohen and Irina Slutskaya so much.
    2002: Same with 2006 but tack on Michelle Kwan
    1998: Difficult to decide. Still the non gold. (Kwan, Chen, and Bonaly's back flip to one foot beat Lipinski)
    1994: I loved Oksana's short program. A little iffy about the LP, but I'd go with her over the rest
    1992: Hard to say whether I preferred Yamaguchi or Ito (If she had done the triple axel triple toe along with the solo triple axel, it would have probably went to her)
    Before that, I didn't really watch anything.

  5. #5
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    1,933
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Who is Aja Zanova?

  6. #6

    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    NY/NJ
    Posts
    4,920
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    11643
    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    1992: Hard to say whether I preferred Yamaguchi or Ito (If she had done the triple axel triple toe along with the solo triple axel, it would have probably went to her)
    Ito was fourth after the short, so she still would have needed another skater to beat Kristi in the freeskate to get the gold (and she sure didn't get any help from the likes of Nancy, Tonya or Leticia Hubert!)
    "Marge, if you're going to get mad at me every time I do something stupid, then I guess I'm just going to have to stop doing stupid things!" - Homer Simpson in the Mr. Plow episode

  7. #7

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Reserving a parking spot for Mao.
    Age
    32
    Posts
    22,683
    vCash
    83943
    Rep Power
    40930
    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    Who is Aja Zanova?
    Alena VrzŠňovŠ, who won the 1949 and 1950 World titles.

  8. #8
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    22
    Posts
    12,985
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    I cant vote as I am pretty split.

  9. #9
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    There's one near you!!! :)
    Posts
    3,819
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    So lets say put them up against the best 20 skaters to never win the Olympic Gold medal. Mine would be something like this group:
    Well, I'd definitely include Tonya Harding in there before I would Nancy Kerrigan.

  10. #10
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    22
    Posts
    12,985
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Sorry I forgot Harding. I also think Harding is a better skater than Kerrigan (although her contemporary Kerrigan obviously had the better career so is maybe the greater skater, but not really the better one). Still I definitely would take Vrzanova, Owen, or Errath off my top 20 list to make room for Harding in that case.

    I also sort of wanted to include Kadavy even though I know her career doesnt justify it. She was a wonderful skater except for her lack of competitive nerve.

  11. #11
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    There's one near you!!! :)
    Posts
    3,819
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Sorry I forgot Harding. I also think Harding is a better skater than Kerrigan (although her contemporary Kerrigan obviously had the better career so is maybe the greater skater, but not really the better one).
    No problem. Nancy really only had the better career from '92 onward (overall), but even then, it's not like she was head and shoulders above Tonya most of the time (such as at '93 Nationals).

    I also sort of wanted to include Kadavy even though I know her career doesnt justify it. She was a wonderful skater except for her lack of competitive nerve.
    True.

  12. #12
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    236
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    As a group, non-gold class wins by a mile for me.

    Michelle Kwan, Sasha Cohen, Janet Lynn, Yuka Sato, Midori Ito, Mao Asada, Lu Chen...

  13. #13
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    1,756
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheylana View Post
    Ito was fourth after the short, so she still would have needed another skater to beat Kristi in the freeskate to get the gold (and she sure didn't get any help from the likes of Nancy, Tonya or Leticia Hubert!)
    I mean my vote for favorite, not the gold

  14. #14

    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    NY/NJ
    Posts
    4,920
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    11643
    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    I mean my vote for favorite, not the gold
    Oh!
    "Marge, if you're going to get mad at me every time I do something stupid, then I guess I'm just going to have to stop doing stupid things!" - Homer Simpson in the Mr. Plow episode

  15. #15
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    To the left, to the left...
    Age
    28
    Posts
    1,459
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Some of those kids just got lucky. *cough* Sarah *cough*

    I'll take the non-gold class any day!

  16. #16

    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    1,972
    vCash
    1271
    Rep Power
    5560
    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    It is interesting to wonder but if you put the Womens Olympic Gold class vs the best of the Non Gold class which is the stronger overall group.


    Olympic Gold Team:

    Madge Syder
    Madga Julin
    Herma Szabo
    Sonja Henjie
    Barbara Ann Scott
    Jeanette Altwegg
    Tenley Albright
    Carol Heiss
    Sjouke Dijkstra
    Peggy Fleming
    Trixi Schuba
    Dorothy Hamil
    Annett Poetzsch
    Katarina Witt
    Kristi Yamaguchi
    Oksana Baiul
    Tara Lipinski
    Sarah Hughes
    Shizuka Arakawa
    Yu Na Kim

    So that is 20 women. So lets say put them up against the best 20 skaters to never win the Olympic Gold medal. Mine would be something like this group:

    Midori Ito
    Mao Asada
    Michelle Kwan
    Irina Slutskaya
    Cecilia Colledge
    Karen Magnussen
    Janet Lynn
    Linda Fratianne
    Denise Biellmann
    Rosalynn Sumners
    Debi Thomas
    Elaine Zayak
    Gaby Seyfert
    Lu Chen
    Yuka Sato
    Maribel Vinson Owen
    Christine Errrath
    Sasha Cohen
    Nancy Kerrigan
    Aja Zanova

    Which is the stronger overall group.
    I think winning the OGM is as much luck as anything. It is only once every 4 years so if you are injured, have family problems or are not at your peak you may never get one. Also the rules change. Some people would have won if figures hadn't counted so much at one time (Biellmann). Other people might not have won if jumping hadn't counted so much when they were competing.

    Michelle and Irina certainly deserve kudos for longevity as competitors. I would also give Kristi credit for maintaining her technical abilities throughout her professional career. As far as artistry, that's totally subjective so each person will have their own opinion.

  17. #17
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    805
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Well, the Olympics haven't been kind to my favorite skaters. So non-OGM class for me!

  18. #18
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    1,756
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by JamieSix View Post
    Some of those kids just got lucky. *cough* Sarah *cough*

    I'll take the non-gold class any day!
    How I wish Sasha had hit that Triple Lutz Triple Toe
    (Or any of the others in the top four hitting)

  19. #19
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    599
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    IMO OG is just another extra overhyped decorated medal. I mean the skaters still compete with the same rules, same competitors. It just the spotlight and the once in every 4 years window make it a little stressful and added a bit more pressure maybe.

  20. #20

    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    1,972
    vCash
    1271
    Rep Power
    5560
    Yeah, they're all good. I don't view the OGM as a lifetime achievement award either. It's just one competition and it takes more than one competition to become a legend.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •