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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post

    As for the person saying TSA should mail them back- they don't with anything else they confiscate, why would they with these. People who travel with very expensive knitting needles usually travel with stamped mailers, so that they can get out of line, mail their needles (which ARE allowed, but also left to the whim of the TSA agent) back to themselves, but usually have to go back through the line again.Although- I've heard they have warehouses of unclaimed confiscated items, so the "threw them away" is new to me....
    Quite true - at many of the airports I go through, the TSA have trash cans right there, in some airports with lids on them so you can't see in, at others open, and that's where they put stuff that travellers try to bring through, when the traveller themself decides not to bother to go back and check that bag, or to go back and mail the items to themselves. I would not be shocked if some airports kept some of those items to be auctioned off later, but they have no way of storing them for specific passengers, and they are not in the business of keeping track of the items, and mailing them to you later.

    This "mailing of items to yourself" is so popular that in a lot of airports, at least one of the shops outside security carries boxes and postage that you can buy to do this.
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    This story sounds like it wasn't really told objectively. Did they seriously rip the skates from her hands and toss them in the garbage, or did they give her the choice to simply NOT board the flight? I mean, it sounds to me like she chose to get on. Personally, I think it's rather common sense NOT to bring skates on the flight. I've flown with skates many times and no matter how paranoid I might be about lost luggage, I am not going to try to bring them on with me. Sure, people have tried and succeeded, but at any time the TSA has a right to deny you and why bother going through that hassle?

    Also, I realize the line for security check was long, but if your friend had arrived earlier then she would have had the time to go back to the airlines counter and check her skates, rather than have them get thrown away. Honestly, that would have been the smart thing to do, that or not get on the flight and try to reschedule for the next one out. The standard rescheduling fee is somewhere around 100 bucks which is cheaper than a new pair of skates.

    In other words, it seems like she willingly let the TSA throw away her skates so she could board because she was not willing to reschedule, and not prepared early enough for the chance of rejection to go back and check her bag. Her fault entirely, in my opinion. One shouldn't EXPECT to get on board with skates.

    The way the title made it sound, I thought the airlines did something outrageous, but that isn't the case. The only outrageous thing about this story is that your friend didn't even consider the possibility of getting rejected at check point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    This is outrageous. They should have, at the very least, agreed to mail them to her. I would file a law suit.
    Americans really need to stop suing people for their own oversights. This was her fault. No one forced her to get on the plane.

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    How to purchase confiscated TSA items:

    http://www.eyeflare.com/article/wher...nfiscated-tsa/

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    I guess I'll add this to my long list of reasons not to fly Delta out of JFK - they make the experience as difficult and miserable as possible; I regret it every time!!!
    Just want to emphasize this is a TSA decision, not Delta - and I am no fan of TSA because...

    the TSA is capricious, and you risk your skates if you try to carry them on.
    We used to leave enough time to try to carry the skates on,then go check them if the "capricious" TSA person said no (it was usually not a problem, BTW, but a real pain when it was a "No"), but finally concluded it was not worth the hassle. We check them in a bag with about ten ID tags/papers with local/cell contact numbers inside & out. It has worked well.

    As to TSA, no counting on logic there: I am always surprised as I watch passengers carry on ski boots. If they are concerend about weapons, it would bwe far easier to clock someone in the head with one of those ski boots than to accurately wield a figure skating blade - JMHO.

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    I actually assumed you couldn't bring them on board, because we're always hearing stories of airlines losing competitors' skates; and I figured why would a competitor ever check skates if they could just bring them on board instead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheylana View Post
    I actually assumed you couldn't bring them on board, because we're always hearing stories of airlines losing competitors' skates; and I figured why would a competitor ever check skates if they could just bring them on board instead?
    Most of those cases are international though.

    One of my coaches who is a recent former international competitor told me he always carried his skates on planes in the US, and would check them with the foreign airline once he was no longer in the United States. (So I guess at customs?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangerine_dream View Post
    Americans really need to stop suing people for their own oversights. This was her fault. No one forced her to get on the plane.
    It is not her fault. I'm sure she would have agreed to pay shipping and handing fees if security had assented to mailing them to her. Are you suggesting she should have missed her flight in an attempt to check the skates? That's completely ridiculous.

    You're correct in stating that people in general, not just Americans, do have a tendency to file meaningless law suits. However, this is one time where a suit is justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    It is not her fault. I'm sure she would have agreed to pay shipping and handing fees if security had assented to mailing them to her. Are you suggesting she should have missed her flight in an attempt to check the skates? That's completely ridiculous.

    You're correct in stating that people in general, not just Americans, do have a tendency to file meaningless law suits. However, this is one time where a suit is justified.
    The TSA will not offer to mail them for her. This is her responsibility. She can step out and mail them to herself, she can step out and check the bag, or she can go forward without the skates. The TSA is not the postal service. They will not mail them to her.

    If she sues based on the fact that the TSA didn't offer to mail these to her, the suit will be found to be without grounds, and it will be dismissed. The TSA has no legal responsibility to mail every water bottle, bottle of shampoo, bowie knife, nail file, box cutter, baseball bat, pool cue, gel shoe insert, snow globe, pocket knife, etc... the TSA confiscates hundreds of thousands of items every year (per TSA data). That they could offer to mail the items to people is not practical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrAarghHrumph View Post
    The TSA will not offer to mail them for her. This is her responsibility. She can step out and mail them to herself, she can step out and check the bag, or she can go forward without the skates. The TSA is not the postal service. They will not mail them to her.

    If she sues based on the fact that the TSA didn't offer to mail these to her, the suit will be found to be without grounds, and it will be dismissed. The TSA has no legal responsibility to mail every water bottle, bottle of shampoo, bowie knife, nail file, box cutter, baseball bat, pool cue, gel shoe insert, snow globe, pocket knife, etc... the TSA confiscates hundreds of thousands of items every year (per TSA data). That they could offer to mail the items to people is not practical.
    Well, I know that this situation taken from "technical" and "lawful" standpoint isn't exactly convincing, but none of the items on the laundry you mentioned aren't quite as expensive as skates. You could show me every law and technicality in the book, I still don't think throwing out someone's personal belongings is proper. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    It is not her fault. I'm sure she would have agreed to pay shipping and handing fees if security had assented to mailing them to her. Are you suggesting she should have missed her flight in an attempt to check the skates? That's completely ridiculous.
    Security cannot agree to mail everyone's thing to them, it's not an option. You can mail things to YOURSELF, if you are prepared for the situation.

    For me, a plane ticket costs more than my skates, so I'd let the skates go. I might even ask if I could just unscrew the blades and throw them away... boots aren't dangerous. I keep a small screwdriver in my skate bag. I know elite skaters for whom their skates are much more valueable, in which case they probably would have gotten out of line to check the skates and hoped they could get back in time for the flight.

    If the line was really a 2-hour wait, she shouldn't have chanced it, but even still, she could have gone back and checked the skates, and done her best to get back through in time for her flight. Generally- if you let the people in front of you know you have a flight already boarding, they let you through. A 2-hour wait is quite atrocious, and many people probably did miss their flights, as I believe airlines tell you to get to the airport 1 hour ahead of time.

    The thing is, even things that are on the permitted are left to the whim of TSA agents, and the TSA website says that. Skates are a gray area already, since they are in neither list. If the TSA policy makes it "clear" that you can't know what to expect, why would you attempt to get through with something most people are shocked is ever allowed. Skates have a sharp blade on them. When left to an individual decision, most individuals will decide it is dangerous, regardless if it has a guard on it. Guards are pretty easy to remove!

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    The TSA has a complain form available.

    From http://blog.tsa.gov/2009/09/what-hap...ted-items.html
    When prohibited items come through the checkpoint, passengers are given options:

    1) Take the item to the ticket counter and check it in your baggage or a box provided by the airport.
    2) Many airports have a US Postal Service or other shipping services area where boxes, stamps and envelopes can be bought so you can ship your items home.
    3) If there is somebody seeing you off, you can hand the prohibited item to them.
    4) If your car is parked outside, you can take the item to your car.


    If you’re not given these options, you should ask to speak with a supervisor or manager. You can also use the “Got Feedback?” program to contact TSA Customer Support at that specific airport.
    If she was not given the option to properly take care of her item, she should complain here: https://contact.tsa.dhs.gov/talktotsa/talktotsa.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    Sports Equipment

    Prohibited Items

    Skates aren't listed on either.

    What I said comes directly from a phone call to the TSA (a few years ago) about the policy, which granted is a little vague on the website and has caused a few issues at times. I have flown with my skates in carry-on many times, in many different airports, and only had problems once (at an airport where I had previously taken them through security). I always put them in my hard guards (which I do when I check them, too) and leave enough time to check the bag and go through security again if there is a problem.
    Aster is absolutely right. On international flights, ice skates still need to be in checked luggage, but within the United States, TSA *DOES* allow ice skates in carry-on luggage (this has been true for several years now).

    I carry my skates on board once or twice a year from LAX, which is one of the higher security airports. To avoid surprises, I always print out the two TSA webpages Aster posted links to, including the list of prohibited items and the sporting goods page showing a photo of an ice skate among other ALLOWED carry-on items (this picture has really helped me at the airport!). I go to the airport a little early and take the skates and the TSA website print-outs to the TSA supervisor on duty before checking my luggage (the TSA supervisor is near the check-in counters, not past the security checkpoint, so it's very convenient). I have the TSA supervisor stamp or sign my TSA print-out next to the picture of the ice skate, then I bring the papers and skates with me through security in my carry-on luggage. I never have a problem.

    Regardless of the official TSA rule, the decision is still ultimately up to the TSA supervisor on duty, so give yourself plenty of time and have a backup plan for checking your skates, just in case you don't get approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tangerine_dream View Post
    Also, I realize the line for security check was long, but if your friend had arrived earlier then she would have had the time to go back to the airlines counter and check her skates, rather than have them get thrown away. Honestly, that would have been the smart thing to do, that or not get on the flight and try to reschedule for the next one out. The standard rescheduling fee is somewhere around 100 bucks which is cheaper than a new pair of skates.
    My skates were not that expensive, but blades and boots combined were $800 and I would miss my flight and go 12 hours on standby in LAX again if it was between that and throwing my skates away. I'm not paid at work that much!

    I flew AirTran and when I missed my flight (which was totally my fault), they didn't charge me to reschedule. I did have to go 12 hours on standby in LAX and nearly lose my mind in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    This is outrageous. They should have, at the very least, agreed to mail them to her. I would file a law suit.
    First of all, skates are not against TSA rules. Second, the TSA would have to arrest me (and I'd gladly go to jail, then file a lawsuit) if they threw away my $1000 skates. They would have to pry them from my cold dead hands before they ever saw a garbage can.

    I agree that it's her responsibility to either check them or mail them, but if she was not allowed the option of getting out of line to do so, then that is WRONG!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafygreens View Post
    , but if she was not allowed the option of getting out of line to do so, then that is WRONG!!!!
    Nobody's saying she "wasn't allowed" to get out of the line to deal with the skates. From the information given, she ALLOWED the TSA to toss the skates rahter than face the incovenience of her other options and possibly risk missing her flight. The TSA people don't care whether passengers make or miss their flights; they're just doing their jobs of inspecting baggage.

    I had a pair of emboidery scissors confiscated once (I forgot they were in the needlwork kit I'd stuffed in at the last minute to have something to do between connections and they showed up on the x-ray).. The TSA person gave me the option of putting them in my checked bag, but since I'd already checked it and it had vanished into the netherregions of the airport, I allowed the TSA to toss the scissors. If they'd been something valuable like my great-grandmother's gold-plated antique stork-head scissors, I might have considered other options like mail but as it was, they went into the bin and I bought a new pair at my destination. No big deal.
    I'd rather be thought of as absolutely ridiculous than as absolutely boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    Well, I know that this situation taken from "technical" and "lawful" standpoint isn't exactly convincing, but none of the items on the laundry you mentioned aren't quite as expensive as skates. You could show me every law and technicality in the book, I still don't think throwing out someone's personal belongings is proper. Sorry.
    Are you now asking the TSA agent to know the price of the various items they check, and to make a judgment re: which are worth saving and which should be tossed? Are you saying that a TSA agent should know the difference between a $15 pair of skates from Toys R Us, and a $1000 custom Harlick? Or that they should go on the person's say-so?

    What about items that have little monetary value, but large sentimental value?

    Should the TSA add staff so they can handle the storage, processing and mailing of hundreds of packages at each airport? What about items that require special handling, or cannot be mailed? What if something is damaged or lost in this process - who is responsible?

    In other words, you say that throwing out personal belongings is improper - so what are their realistic alternatives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunny Hop View Post
    In many years of travelling internationally I've yet to lose any luggage. The worst that has happened is that a couple of times it's arrived home a few hours after me!
    Whoa!!! Don't tempt the fates!!

    Before the TSA ban on carrying skates on board in 2001, I had a pair that I would check and then *hope and pray* that the airline would lose my luggage. I hated those things, but they were fairly new and I couldn't justify buying new skates when I hadn't had them very long.

    Now I always check my skates just to avoid the potential hassles, and hope and pray that the airline DOESN'T lose my luggage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangerine_dream View Post
    This was her fault. No one forced her to get on the plane.

    I absolutely agree with you. I think it's plain simple common sense.

    You are not allowed to bring knives onto a plane. You are not allowed to bring anything sharp onto a plane. So why does anyone think a 10-inch piece of sharpened metal with a nasty-looking toepick should be allowed on the plane?!

    I went domestic Canberra to Melbourne and back again a few days ago, and I didn't even think about it; the skates went straight in the checked luggage. Was I nervous they would get lost? Hell yes. I was terrified. But I didn't even bother checking the regs to see if they were allowed in hand luggage. It just made sense to me that they wouldn't allow them in the cabin.

    No sympathy for this situation tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    I absolutely agree with you. I think it's plain simple common sense.

    You are not allowed to bring knives onto a plane. You are not allowed to bring anything sharp onto a plane. So why does anyone think a 10-inch piece of sharpened metal with a nasty-looking toepick should be allowed on the plane?!
    But skates ARE allowed. Skate blades and knives aren't the same thing. If you look here, skates are not on the banned list and are even show in the photo of allowed items- http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1038.shtm

    Granted, if you get a surly TSA agent who doesn't know the rules, you're probably SOL. I am traveling from Boston to Salt Lake City by way of Baltimore on Monday and you bet my skates are coming in my carry on.

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