Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 43
  1. #1
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Miami, FL, USA
    Posts
    6,762
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0

    Wachsman - Waggoner

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8XUr...eature=related

    I always thought this pair had great potential. They got together in '85 and won the US Natl. Title in '86 after just a year together. They were quite young and retired after 4th at '88 Worlds, and a final group pair at Calgary [I don't know where they finished].

    Does anyone have any info on them? Why they retired so young when they seemed to be developing?

    He was kinda hot

  2. #2

    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    5,867
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    3930
    That was lovely.

  3. #3
    Eh?
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Prepping for Sochi!
    Posts
    5,296
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    20202
    I'd also be interested to know the reason why they retired.

    Olympic: they ended up fifth in Calgary. Thanks for posting the video.

  4. #4
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Age
    31
    Posts
    304
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    12
    Wow that was amazing. I really enjoyed them! Too bad they didn't continue.

  5. #5
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    9,758
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    4 minutes of Maleguena ...

    That was one of their best performances, but I don't remember them as being a very consistent pair though. Weren't they placed ahead of W&P after the SP at Calgary but then made one mistake after another to drop out of medal contention ?

    I think Rob was a pilot of some sort in the Air Force Academy back then and probably wanted to pursue that career option after 88.

  6. #6

    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Usually in the D/W thread
    Posts
    5,059
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    443
    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    4 minutes of Maleguena ...

    That was one of their best performances, but I don't remember them as being a very consistent pair though. Weren't they placed ahead of W&P after the SP at Calgary but then made one mistake after another to drop out of medal contention ?

    I think Rob was a pilot of some sort in the Air Force Academy back then and probably wanted to pursue that career option after 88.
    Rob? Are you thinking of someone else? His first name is Todd. I remember them from that time period but it's been so long I can't remember why they retired. Apparently they were thinking of it already during 88 worlds since Scott mentioned it during the commentary. I loved their "Maleguena".
    MERYL DAVIS AND CHARLIE WHITE - 2014 OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALISTS!

  7. #7
    Eh?
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Prepping for Sochi!
    Posts
    5,296
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    20202
    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    4 minutes of Maleguena ...

    That was one of their best performances, but I don't remember them as being a very consistent pair though. Weren't they placed ahead of W&P after the SP at Calgary but then made one mistake after another to drop out of medal contention ?

    I think Rob was a pilot of some sort in the Air Force Academy back then and probably wanted to pursue that career option after 88.
    By W/P, do you mean Watson and Oppegard? In Calgary, W&O were 3rd in the short and 3rd in the long. W&W were 4th in the short and 5th in the long.

  8. #8

    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    2,020
    vCash
    5550
    Rep Power
    7425
    Thanks for posting, that was quite nice. They had some particularly good transitions and unison.

  9. #9
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    1,130
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    I think by 1988 they both had had enough of skating and were ready to move on with their lives. Gillian had been 4th at US Nationals in 1984 with former British skater Robert Daw but they were ineligible for Olympics cause Robert had skated in Lake Placid in 1980 for Great Britain (a rule that has since been changed).

    As someone else mentioned Todd went on to get his pilot's license. I think he is still married to former US ice dancer Kristen Lowery who oddly enough is the daughter of Rita Lowery who coached Watson/Oppegard to the bronze medal at 88 Olympics.

    After competing I want to say Gillian went to Paris to study ballet and the arts. I "believe" she later got married and had a couple of kids.

    W/W were a really inconsistent team. More often than not their performances were disappointing. They pretty much bombed at both 86 and 87 worlds before getting it together and skating well in 88. They should have won US Nationals in 1988. Their win in 86 was a big surprise. They really didn't skate much better than the favorites and defending champions Watson/Oppegard but for some reason, in a time when the favorites always got the benefit from the judges, W/O didn't that day and W/W ended up winning in an upset.

  10. #10

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    285
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    222
    I remember watching a [made-for-TV?] pro competition in the early 1990's where W&W had come out of retirement to compete. In the fluff piece prior to their performance, the focus was on Gillian and it was mentioned that she had attended Columbia University. The story didn't say much about Todd. They surprised everyone by pulling 10's (pro scoring system) and won the competition. Don't know the name of the music they used (and Dorothy Hamill used the same music in the same competition), but their performance was lovely and they looked really secure despite having been off the ice for so long. (As far as I know, it's not on Youtube; I've been looking for it and haven't been able to find it.) I don't remember ever hearing anything else about them since then.

  11. #11

    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    8,385
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    2563
    Wow, they should have kept going, what a great long program.

  12. #12
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Miami, FL, USA
    Posts
    6,762
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    I remembered liking W/W more than W/O even back then. They were inventive and even that '88 program of theirs was CoP friendly. Can I say it again? He was kinda hot.

    W/O always struck me as being a little on the skittish side when they competed. Like their basics weren't solid or perhaps they were a little mismatched? I remember Jill nearly falling on the SBS 2x in the LP @ Calgary, and I think they botched another move. Can't remember which.

    Funny that the US had the # 3 and # 5 pairs in Calgary '88, when both US teams were on the inconsistent side, apparently.

  13. #13

    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    New York, NY
    Age
    28
    Posts
    3,322
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    2251
    Fluff from the '88 Olympics.

  14. #14

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    285
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    222
    Quote Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    . . . W/O always struck me as being a little on the skittish side when they competed. Like their basics weren't solid or perhaps they were a little mismatched? I remember Jill nearly falling on the SBS 2x in the LP @ Calgary, and I think they botched another move. Can't remember which.
    . . .
    Didn't Jill fall on a death spiral one year when W&O were at Worlds?

    Getting off the subject for a bit, but I preferred Watson's pairing with Burt Lancon to her pairing with Oppegard. Here's one of W&L's 1984 performances at Sarajevo: Short Program. (Tried to link to their long program, too, but can't get the link to work!! Their helicopter lift in their LP is spectacular!)

    Okay, back on subject: Yeah, I would have liked for W&W to have stayed together for a while longer. Lots of potential.
    Last edited by easilydistracte; 03-06-2011 at 05:19 AM. Reason: Spelling!

  15. #15

    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Age
    28
    Posts
    11,834
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    That is a wonderful program. They were really good.

    I favorite-ed it on YouTube.

  16. #16
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Miami, FL, USA
    Posts
    6,762
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by easilydistracte View Post
    Didn't Jill fall on a death spiral one year when W&O were at Worlds?

    Getting off the subject for a bit, but I preferred Watson's pairing with Burt Lancon to her pairing with Oppegard. Here's one of W&L's 1984 performances at Sarajevo: Short Program. (Tried to link to their long program, too, but can't get the link to work!! Their helicopter lift in their LP is spectacular!)

    Okay, back on subject: Yeah, I would have liked for W&W to have stayed together for a while longer. Lots of potential.
    I think Jill fell on the Death Spiral in '85 Worlds? They finished 4th overall and it was her first year with Peter [Burt retired after '84; they were injured during '84 Worlds and had to withdraw during the SP I think?]

    Yes! I remember thinking W/L were one good pair when I saw them at Sarajevo where they finished 6th overall. How long were they together? Any comps before Sarajevo? They didn't seem to be together long at all yet they did really well at the Olympics.


    ETA - Here was W/L's disastrous SP at '84 Worlds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l454W...eature=related

    From the commentary, they had only been together for 18 months prior, which means their 6th place at Sarajevo was something else!
    Last edited by olympic; 03-06-2011 at 06:13 AM.

  17. #17
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Posts
    12,249
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    4 minutes of Maleguena ...
    Exactly the same music as Surya Bonaly in 1989 and Kristi Yamaguchi in 1992 !!! (just 30 seconds more in the middle.)

    I am really impressed by them.

  18. #18
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    1,130
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by easilydistracte View Post
    Didn't Jill fall on a death spiral one year when W&O were at Worlds?

    Getting off the subject for a bit, but I preferred Watson's pairing with Burt Lancon to her pairing with Oppegard. Here's one of W&L's 1984 performances at Sarajevo: Short Program. (Tried to link to their long program, too, but can't get the link to work!! Their helicopter lift in their LP is spectacular!)

    Okay, back on subject: Yeah, I would have liked for W&W to have stayed together for a while longer. Lots of potential.

    Funny you should mention Watson/Lancon. Their LP in Saravejo is one of my all-time favorite LP's in pairs skating. Loved it. There was a romantic quality to their skating that is absent in almost all other pairs. Technically the program was very easy (the sbs jumps and only 1 throw) but from an artistic and presentation viewpoint I loved it. I was so disappointed that Burt quit after the 84 season. However, I did become a big fan of W/O over the next 4 years. They were a very glamorous couple.

  19. #19
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    1,130
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Hopefully this works. Watson/Lancon's LP from Sarajevo.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyGRF...eature=related

  20. #20

    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Posts
    12,854
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    15965
    For anyone interested:

    Watson & Lancon (USA) - 1984 Sarajevo, Pairs LP:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyGRFlSOhN4

    CaptCrunch beat me to it!
    Last edited by skatesindreams; 03-06-2011 at 02:49 PM. Reason: to add comment

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •