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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrAarghHrumph View Post
    Figures were the emphasis of the sport, so when a person, today, talks about how amazing the skaters back then were - look at the skater's footwork, watch their figures.
    Another thing I notice is that the skaters from those days all do beautiful leaning straight legged spread eagles. So gorgeous. No butt eagles or flat up and down positions with bent knees. Apart from Cassar, Wylie, Boitano and a few others, 1961 spread eagles were much more beautiful than modern day ones.

    Speed is another thing. Without all the jumps and complex elements, the skaters retain their speed or even build through the program. Today's complex elements really slow many skaters downs.

    I also loved the pivot and reverse spread eagle combinations of Bradley Lord - perhaps it is simple as opposed to today's footwork, but sometimes less is more.
    I think I will have a snack and take a nap before I eat and go to sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanna View Post
    The first triple jump in international competition by a man was Dick Button in 1952, which was a loop, and the first triple toe loop was '64, I think. The first in women's were later than the first in men. What were you expecting?
    Forget the jumps, you'd think without worrying about triples, skaters would have more speed, interesting footwork, complex connecting steps between elements, fast centered spins, better crossovers, deeper edges, but watching Laurance's FS, all I see is slow and cautious skating, really poor spins, poor execution of the doubles, very bland choreography, a few 3-turns and a nice spread eagle. So yeah, underwhelming

    I gotta say I actually laughed out loud when Dick said "this is an interesting Camel" It's mean, I know but he's gotta know that not everyone watching would know that a camel is the name of a spin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbk View Post
    Darts, I think. Probably horseshoes.

    The problem with comparing in most sports is that the fundamental equipment has changed so very much. Gymnastics is hardly the same sport that it was in 1950; the equipment for women is tremendously different: sprung floors, fiberglass poles on uneven bars rather than solid wood, and the bars themselves are far further apart than in 1950. The vaulting horse is now a table. Balance beams are now padded and sueded, rather than being the polished wood that they were in my youth.
    True. Nadia Comaneci was capable of doing a double back on a hard, spring-less floor covered only by a thin mat (1976 American Cup) - which IMO requires a completely different technique of propelling your body into the air compared with what is required on today's overly sprung floors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aceon6 View Post

    As for skating, I'm old enough to remember how figure skates were constructed in the 50s and 60s. There was very little support, so the stress on the ankles and shins was probably 100% more than it is today. The landing had to be very precise for the skater to support it and come out with some flow. It's not that the skaters didn't have the physical ability to jump higher and get more rotations, it's that the equipment worked best when the jump was more "out" than "up", lessening the stress on landing.
    ^^^ This! With skating, the boots and blades have changed in ways that facilitate landing triples & quads, but I believe inhibit things like toe point, certain positions, and some deep edges we see from past skaters.

    Equipment changes do change technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR-FAN View Post
    very bland choreography
    No program can be that bland which concludes with a spin to indicate that the program symphony's "hero" has just died by guillotine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    Another thing I notice is that the skaters from those days all do beautiful leaning straight legged spread eagles. So gorgeous. No butt eagles or flat up and down positions with bent knees. Apart from Cassar, Wylie, Boitano and a few others, 1961 spread eagles were much more beautiful than modern day ones.

    I also loved the pivot and reverse spread eagle combinations of Bradley Lord - perhaps it is simple as opposed to today's footwork, but sometimes less is more.
    Boots again. I could do spread eagles easily in the old style boots. When I started skating again in modern boots, I couldn't move my foot and ankle enough in the boot to get the right angles.
    AceOn6, the golf loving skating fan

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    Ultra distance running perhaps? I am not talking about marathons here, but rather any distance 50 miles plus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falling_dance View Post
    No program can be that bland which concludes with a spin to indicate that the program symphony's "hero" has just died by guillotine.
    Fair enough, lets just call it "kinda bland"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR-FAN View Post
    Fair enough, lets just call it "kinda bland"
    OK.

    Bland or not, I still enjoyed that performance, which I say as someone who doesn't much care for old school ladies' skating.

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    The Jump categories in athletics really don't improve consistently over time... it's more a matter of when an exceptional athlete turns up. Bob Beamon's 8,90 is rarely matched today.

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    Horse racing, steeple and flat.

    Discus? Javelin? wrestling?
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    I've heard the claim made for baseball. The argument is that, as the number of teams has increased, you have less talented people making it into the big leagues. At the same time, you have more international people, and if you're talking about baseball waaaay back, only white people were allowed.

    But I do think it's probably true if you compare baseball from forty years ago to now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyn View Post
    Tiddly winks?
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    I've been thinking about the Lumberjack Games. Trees are still trees, that hasn't changed. But how about saws? Axes? How much have they changed over the years? What about lumberjack boots? Do they now have soles that provide a better grip than the lumberjack boots of 50 years ago?

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    In many (but not all) respects, gymnastics of the mid-late 1980s compared to today.

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