Evan Lysacek and his "quadlessness".

[Rex]

Hide the rabbits

But Plushy has already killed the rabbits and put them on his costumes...

[Kasey]

Team Daisuke.

Same here.

But Plushy has already killed the rabbits and put them on his costumes...

Now now Rexy....be nice.

The truth is, Plushy maybe killed the bunnies, but he put them on WEIR'S costumes!

[tuffcaco]

I don't know how you can even discuss skating now without recognizing the influence of the anti-Lysacek revisions.

I think you do that for the rest of us. In fact, I think you really go out of your way to talk about Evan Lysacek.... maybe it's not Plushy we should be concerned about...

[attyfan]

Please- like the ISU didn't change a lot of the rules because of his win? I don't know how you can even discuss skating now without recognizing the influence of the anti-Lysacek revisions.

IIRC, quads were once worth more, but after the 2006 splatfest, when commentators were blathering about how skaters were "smart" for trying quads they couldn't land because they still got a lot of points, the ISU changed the rules. Mistakes were punished much more harshly ... and the quad dropped in importance. After several well-skated events, including 2010, the quad was increased in importance. It seems to me, therefore, that the value of the quad can be easily changed. How can you be certain it won't be reduced again in four years, especially if the next Olys is another Torino-style splatfest?

[bardtoob]

How much are the walk off tickets? I say Evan is the Chazz, I mean the Hansel and Johnny is ... the one that can't turn left

[Mafke]

I seem to have missed this caseyedwards person (born under a lucky star I am) but now that I've read a few comments and I've got just one thing I want to say:

I'm thrilled that Lysacek won OGM without a quad just cause it ticks caseyedwards off so much.

That is all.

[caseyedwards]

IIRC, quads were once worth more, but after the 2006 splatfest, when commentators were blathering about how skaters were "smart" for trying quads they couldn't land because they still got a lot of points, the ISU changed the rules. Mistakes were punished much more harshly ... and the quad dropped in importance. After several well-skated events, including 2010, the quad was increased in importance. It seems to me, therefore, that the value of the quad can be easily changed. How can you be certain it won't be reduced again in four years, especially if the next Olys is another Torino-style splatfest?

I think if a competition is not at risk of being a splatfest that what is really the point? You want the skaters to try the hard moves and if a splatfest is a result so be it. Chan was trying to advance his skating by adding a quad and he fell a lot. If he landed a quad he might fall on a 3A but other times he would fall on the quad. But you can the great moments like at Canadian nationals where Chan landed everything and got one of the best performance ever at Canadian nationals a lot of people said. I think Kurt Browning said that. Like maybe Chan would have added the quads anyway but with the risk no longer being zero if you failed and ured it wasn't so risky.

I think the changes were about "hey if we don't reward any risk than a technical progression point will vanish!" I hope they don't go back because now they know what happens if they did. Vanishing quad - vanishing technical progression.

[Mafke]

Did I mention "Yay! hooray! Lysacek won OGM with no quad.

Seriously, quads are completely overrated. I'd much rather watch a RBO paragraph bracket (I'm completely serious about that).

[caseyedwards]

Well I liked scratch spins the most but COP basically killed them!

[antmanb]

Well I liked scratch spins the most but COP basically killed them!

Evan has a really good scratch spin

Ant

[Dee2e]

There is the myth and the truth and Lysacek did try a quad at 2010 US nationals and there was no comment on the injury until he fell and then the nonsense began about injury again. The injury was the excuse for 2009 and they are trying to make it for the Olympics. Carroll made the public statement and so did lysacek.

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/artic...&vkey=ice_news

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/sp...lysacek&st=nyt

There is just a lot of lies going around to justify him going quadless and it's just unbelievable. "Oh he didn't do a quad because of injury so that makes it all fine to have quadless Olympic champions" and who cares if anyone did a quad in the future.

12 years of Olympic history going backwards. Remains terrible for the sport the ISU tried to remedy the not even trying quads anymore trend.

We are a year past this now. Does it matter whether he did the quad or not? He won, fair and square without the quad.

[allezfred]

Are slim suits ever comfortable for a guy to wear? It looks good on a lean and especially tall guy like Evan, but I can't it imagine it's comfortable to sit down in or to move about.

So long as the suit fits properly it's comfortable.

[let`s talk]

So long as the suit fits properly it's comfortable.

Yeah,... especially on good-someone who is in a good company (go find him there ):
www.etoday.ru/2008/11/fashion-week-in-moscow.php

[FigureSpins]

Bitter4ever's response has caused a crisis in my office. I have to clean coffee off my computer screen.

ETA...and B4E's comment about EP's costumes even put it on-topic for the post!

[FigureSpins]

Yeah,... especially on good-someone who is in a good company (go find him there ):
www.etoday.ru/2008/11/fashion-week-in-moscow.php

Was his water turned off? He couldn't wash that mop?

[Veronika]

Casey O. Edwards, you need to get a life. It's been a year. Plushenko did not deserve to win in Vancouver with his transition-less programs and shakily landed triples.

Evan Lysacek is the 2010 Olympic champion.

This sums it up really nicely.

[ChelleC]

But you can the great moments like at Canadian nationals where Chan landed everything and got one of the best performance ever at Canadian nationals a lot of people said. I think Kurt Browning said that. Like maybe Chan would have added the quads anyway but with the risk no longer being zero if you failed and ured it wasn't so risky.

And if you think the greatness of Chan's performance at Canadians was all about the jumps, then you're really missing the point.

[caseyedwards]

And if you think the greatness of Chan's performance at Canadians was all about the jumps, then you're really missing the point.

I didn't say that at all and have not been saying that ever. Obviously if a skater does a quad and level three and 4 spins and steps and choreo - that it is just more impressive as a whole if that person also had a quad in their program and not just triples. Quad does not equal great it is doing everything - going all out that is great. Chan fit that bill at canadian national perfecty and is the ideal performance. Doing just triples in mens is BLAH!

[Holley Calmes]

I have always respected and admired Plushenko's skating and think he will always be one of the greats....at skating. Regardless of who "deserved" the gold medal (I believe Evan did,) that stunt Plushenko pulled in stepping up on the gold medal platform before the medals ceremony was the most juvenile act of tasteless bad manners and unsportsmanlike conduct I have ever seen in skating. For that alone, he will always be remembered, by me anyway, as having a major character slip there. It was not cute, funny, or meant in jest. Everybody knew exactly what he was trying to say. He's old enough to know better. Blech.

Casey, you need a new hobby.

[overedge]

but with the risk no longer being zero if you failed and ured it wasn't so risky.

Does "ured" get counted under technical or PCS?