? about stars into camel

[Jozet]

Are stars into a camel (not flying camel, just front camel) considered difficult entry?

Or could they be a GOE increase?

Thanks for any info!

[Aussie Willy]

I think they would be a good transition into a camel. But would only help increase the GOE if done well.

[Doubletoe]

Stars into a flying spin will give you a level feature for a difficult flying entry. However, there is no such feature awarded for a non-flying spin, so you won't get a level for stars into a regular camel. It will just help your transitions score and spin GOE if executed well.

[Jozet]

Stars into a flying spin will give you a level feature for a difficult flying entry. However, there is no such feature awarded for a non-flying spin, so you won't get a level for stars into a regular camel. It will just help your transitions score and spin GOE if executed well.

Ah, yes! Okay, that makes sense.

Thank you for both replies!

[steve skater]

Stars into a flying spin will give you a level feature for a difficult flying entry. However, there is no such feature awarded for a non-flying spin, so you won't get a level for stars into a regular camel. It will just help your transsitions score and spin GOE if executed well.

It's not the stars entry that counts as the difficult entry; it's the butterfly/arabian after the stars that would count. (And one can do stars without the butterfly/arabian into a flying camel.)

[Jozet]

Thanks, steve skater. So I have this right, a flying camel is not a difficult entry in and of itself, nor are stars into a flying camel. Stars into a regular camel are also not difficult entry because it would take some sort of difficulty on a fly to increase the level.

However, stars into butterfly/arabian entry on flying camel - it's the butterfly/arabian that makes it a difficult entry. Stars (done well) *might* increase GOE or add to transition.

Yes?

[steve skater]

Thanks, steve skater. So I have this right, a flying camel is not a difficult entry in and of itself, nor are stars into a flying camel. Stars into a regular camel are also not difficult entry because it would take some sort of difficulty on a fly to increase the level.

However, stars into butterfly/arabian entry on flying camel - it's the butterfly/arabian that makes it a difficult entry. Stars (done well) *might* increase GOE or add to transition.

Yes?

Yes.
Also, here are the bullets for marking positive GOEs for different elements:
http://tinyurl.com/4z3m72x
Although nothing technically meets a bullet for an entry such as stars (maybe points 6 and 8?), the stars would probably help you get better speed and centering. (At least that's why I try to do them into my camel! )

[Jozet]

"the stars would probably help you get better speed and centering"

I don't skate (very well), but I've noticed with my daughter that when she does stars into a regular flying camel it 1) really helps her to get the fly right (otherwise she sometimes does a "flying salchow" ) and yes, 2) much better speed and centering.

GOE would be nice. Her program is a bit rock and roll, so I do think the stars work well as a hot shot move, lol.

Again, thanks for the explanation. I'm learning this to try to understand what my kiddo is doing on the ice, but also, I want to be a smarter viewer altogether. :-)