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    TES Euros vs. US Nats

    Just for fun, I know there are those who say you can't compare, blah blah blah. But I still think its still fun to look at, so I'm gonna do it anyway.

    MEN FS (took top 11 TES from FS of each event)
    Richard Dornbush 83.27
    Ross Miner 81.80
    Brian Joubert 79.03
    Konstantin Menshov 78.88
    Ryan Bradley 78.17
    Armin Mahbanoozadeh 77.40
    Keegan Messing 76.56
    Adam Rippon 76.36
    Tomas Verner 75.25
    Kevin VDP 74.34
    Brandon Mroz 73.66
    Florent Amodio 72.89
    Jason Brown 72.86
    Artur Gachinski 71.31
    Douglas Razzano 71.29
    Javier Fernandez 68.67
    Alban Preaubert 76.46
    Jeremy Abbott 66.91
    Peter Liebers 63.47
    Jonathan Cassar 63.28
    Denis Wieczorek 61.84
    Samuel Contesti 61.60

    LADIES FS
    Alissa Czisny 64.19
    Rachael Flatt 59.46
    Agnes Zawadzki 57.36
    Kristiene Gong 57.17
    Ira Vannut 56.55
    Sarah Meier 56.02
    Christina Gao 55.58
    Joelle Forte 55.47
    Alena Leonova 55.34
    Melissa Bulanhagui 55.11
    Vanessa Lam 54.77
    Carolina Kostner 54.27
    Mirai Nagasu 53.45
    Yasmin Siraj 53.17
    Ashley Wagner 52.72
    Gerli Liinamae 52.05
    Caroline Zhang 50.25
    Ksenia Makarova 48.51
    Karina Johnson 48.18
    Mae Berenice Meite 47.75
    Kiira Korpi 45.74
    Viktoria Helgesson 45.63
    Sarah Hecken 45.58
    Sonia Lafuente 45.44
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    Kavaguti/Smirnov 65.62
    Bazarova/Larionov 64.89
    Savchenko/Szolkowy 64.22
    Yankowskas/Coughlin 61.97
    Evora/Ladwig 62.09
    Denney/Barrett 59.36
    Gerboldt/Enbert 59.23
    Marley/Brubaker 55.16
    Berton/Hotarek 53.35
    Katz/Lynch 52.35
    Castelli/Shnapir 51.30
    Donlan/Speroff 51.29
    Davis/Leftheris 50.42
    Vise/Baldwin 50.08
    Aaron/Cohen 49.20
    Kadlecova/Bidar 47.91
    Bereswill/Young 47.11
    Hausch/Wende 46.40
    Bakirova/Kamianchuk 42.39
    Gierok/Just 42.24
    Canac/Bonheur 42.08
    Kemp/King 41.90
    Gillespie/Dematte 39.02

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    TES get inflated maybe not as much as PCS but by a considerable margin too.

    Thanks for compiling this anyhow, makes for interesting reading.

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    Where would you align the two, say for the women?

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    One would think Element Scores would be more comparable across competitions, but panels from different competitions have shown to vary greatly in applying positive GOE or negative GOEs

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbk View Post
    Where would you align the two, say for the women?
    What are you asking? Please elaborate.

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    MEN FS (took top 11 HariboboTES from FS of Euro, USA, but I added the top 6 TES of Canada, Japan Nationals)

    Patrick Chan 103.41
    Takahiko Kozuka 84.92
    Richard Dornbush 83.27
    Nobunari Oda 82.00
    Ross Miner 81.80
    Brian Joubert 79.03
    Konstantin Menshov 78.88
    Ryan Bradley 78.17
    Armin Mahbanoozadeh 77.40
    Daisuke Takahashi 76.91
    Keegan Messing 76.56
    Alban Preaubert 76.46
    Adam Rippon 76.36
    Tomas Verner 75.25
    Shawn Sawyer 75.09
    Kevin VDP 74.34
    Brandon Mroz 73.66
    Florent Amodio 72.89
    Jason Brown 72.86
    Artur Gachinski 71.31
    Douglas Razzano 71.29
    Y. Hanyu 70.02
    Javier Fernandez 68.67
    Joey Russell 67.49
    Kevin Reynolds 67.33
    Jeremy Abbott 66.91
    T. Mura 65.58
    Peter Liebers 63.47
    T. Machida 63.46
    Jonathan Cassar 63.28
    Liam Firus 62.82
    Denis Wieczorek 61.84
    Samuel Contesti 61.60
    Elladj Balde 61.25

    LADIES FS
    Miki Ando 71.50
    K. Murakami 65.70
    Alissa Czisny 64.19
    Mao Asada 62.19
    Rachael Flatt 59.46
    Akiko Suzuki 58.46

    Agnes Zawadzki 57.36
    Kristiene Gong 57.17
    Ira Vannut 56.55
    Sarah Meier 56.02
    Christina Gao 55.58
    Joelle Forte 55.47
    Risa Shoji 55.44
    Alena Leonova 55.34
    Myriane Samson 55.20
    Melissa Bulanhagui 55.11
    Vanessa Lam 54.77
    Carolina Kostner 54.27
    Mirai Nagasu 53.45
    Yasmin Siraj 53.17
    Ashley Wagner 52.72
    Gerli Liinamae 52.05
    Cynthia Phaneuf 51.03
    Shoko Ishikawa 50.91
    Adriana De Sanctis 50.46
    Caroline Zhang 50.25
    Amelie Lacoste 49.57
    Ksenia Makarova 48.51
    Karina Johnson 48.18
    Mae Berenice Meite 47.75
    Kiira Korpi 45.74
    Dallas Daniel 45.69
    Viktoria Helgesson 45.63
    Sarah Hecken 45.58
    Sonia Lafuente 45.44
    Alexandra Najarro 44.92

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    It would be very interesting to do this with SP and combine the two for a truer picture of each skater's abilities in a competitive event as some are better Sp skater's, than LP skater's which then affect the LP marks; even TES because of group one is in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by haribobo View Post
    What are you asking? Please elaborate.
    Kind of like aligning two thermometers, one in Farenheit, the other in Centigrade.
    Which skaters at Euros had basically equivalent skates to Czisny? To Zawadski? To Gao? To Lam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debrah View Post
    MEN FS (took top 11 HariboboTES from FS of Euro, USA, but I added the top 6 TES of Canada, Japan Nationals)

    Patrick Chan 103.41
    Takahiko Kozuka 84.92
    Richard Dornbush 83.27

    LOL at the dropoff between Chan and Kozuka there! Granted, Chan was like mindblowing at Nationals, still it just makes me

    Thanks for doing that. If I wasn't so lazy I'd have done that too.

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    Just for fun to help 4CC men's predictions I used Tot score from most recent National comps where ever possible, or I defaulted to using PB international score for this season, when I could not find national one. USA, Jap and Canada should all be about equal in terms of inflation but under pressure skates (wink wink )so inflational levelsl out pretty fairly,thus we can make more informed 4CC predictions. * battle for Gold, # in hunt for bronze, then failing that a top 6 result, $ looking for redemption:

    Nat TS SB TS
    Kozuka 251.93 248.07 *
    Takahashi 236.79 234.79 * $
    Sawyer 229.09 193.80 (added clean 3a's since GP) #
    Abbott 224.16 218.19 # $
    Hanyu 220.06 207.72 #
    Rippon 220.04 233.04 (lost 3a since SKAmer..) # $
    Mahbanooz 215.05 211.17 #
    Russell 204.02 -- (No GP)
    Song 195.65 181.53 (AG 201.10)
    Wu 194.04 189.58 (AG 183.82)
    Reynolds 191.85 218.65 (Quads MIA at Nat)# $
    Webster 152.19 -
    Kerry 130.65 117.09

    Int PB + Asian games scores
    Ten 176.11 208.89
    Guan 196.92
    Ge 177.36
    Rakimgaliev 172.28 170.81
    Kim 146.58 164.42
    Kuo 148.96
    Shih 101.87 125.60
    Ju 121.56
    Last edited by Debrah; 02-07-2011 at 02:57 PM. Reason: added scores for Asian games

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    I hadn't realized that Gong had the 4th highest FS TES from US Nationals. Good for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgobluegirl View Post
    I hadn't realized that Gong had the 4th highest FS TES from US Nationals. Good for her.
    Same here! Her skate was very impressive, though. I'm happy she was able to come back so strong after a disastrous FS last year.

    ETA: Gong's FS.
    Last edited by chipso1; 02-06-2011 at 09:22 PM.

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    Gong got off easy ... nobody for using Kwan's Salome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debrah View Post
    Nat TS SB TS
    Kozuka 251.93 248.07 *
    Takahashi 236.79 234.79 * $
    Sawyer 229.09 193.80 (added clean 3a's since GP) #
    Abbott 224.16 218.19 # $
    Hanyu 220.06 207.72 #
    Rippon 220.04 233.04 (lost 3a since SKAmer..) # $
    Mahbanooz 215.05 211.17 #
    Russell 204.02 -- (No GP)
    Song 195.65 181.53
    Wu 194.04 189.58
    Reynolds 191.85 218.65 (Quads MIA at Nat)# $
    Webster 152.19 -
    Kerry 130.65 117.09

    default to INT SEASON SCORE

    Guan 196.92
    Ten 176.11
    Rakimgaliev 172.28
    Kuo 148.96
    Kim 146.58
    Ju 121.56
    Shih 101.87
    Ge ?
    Some of these skaters competed this week at either Universiade or Asian Games (e.g. Ge) - not sure it would change the order much except for perhaps Denis Ten, who won Asian Games...

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