Michelle Kwan triple-triples video

**bartek** · 01-26-2011, 10:50 PM

Hi! I've been making video with Michelle's triple-triples for some time and I've almost finished but I'm lacking two combinations I think. Here is what I've already included in the video:

1996 Nationals
1997 GPF
1997 Worlds
1999 Nationals
2000 Worlds
2001 Worlds QR
2001 Worlds
2001 Goodwill Games
2002 Worlds QR

Can you tell me where she landed the rest? I also included her attempt at 3Lz+3L from 2001 SC and include combos from practise and warm-ups if I have ones. I have only 3T+3T from 2002 Olympics FS warm-up. I'd love to have 3S+3L from 2001 Worlds warm-up but I can't find it? Has anyone seen it?

**BigB08822** · 01-26-2011, 11:14 PM

I don't think video ever surfaced of her 3sal/3loop during 2001 Worlds warmup. Unfortunate because I would have loved to see it. If it happened now I bet video would be everywhere but the day of videos popping up all the time had not yet begun in 2001 or was in its beginning stages.

If you wanted you could also include GP events, she would have a few more if you did those but I know you have to draw the line somewhere.

**skatingfan5** · 01-26-2011, 11:18 PM

3T3T combos at 1995 Skate America, 1996 Champions Series Final, 1999 Skate America, 2001 GPF (1st LP, SOTBS)

Peggy Fleming's mention of MK's 3sal-3loop in the 2001 Worlds FS warm up is the only record I know of -- I have never seen or heard of any record of this. I was there and I don't remember seeing it -- however, I do recall being very nervous during the final group's warmup, so I doubt if I would have even been aware of what I was seeing.

**bartek** · 01-26-2011, 11:21 PM

Thanks for help!

**BigB08822** · 01-26-2011, 11:54 PM

Yes, I have always wondered if it was possible that Peggy got it wrong and that Michelle never warmed up 3sal/3loop. Maybe it was a 3/2? It seems funny that no one from the stands has ever talked about it or said they saw it.

**skatingfan5** · 01-27-2011, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by BigB08822

Yes, I have always wondered if it was possible that Peggy got it wrong and that Michelle never warmed up 3sal/3loop. Maybe it was a 3/2? It seems funny that no one from the stands has ever talked about it or said they saw it.

I always wondered whether Peggy had meant to say "practice" instead of warmup and that Peggy had seen Michelle do that combination earlier that day. Guess we'll never know for sure.

**bartek** · 01-27-2011, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by skatingfan5

I always wondered whether Peggy had meant to say "practice" instead of warmup and that Peggy had seen Michelle do that combination earlier that day. Guess we'll never know for sure.

Terry or Peter (I never know) asked her about second triple-triple after Michelle hit her wondrful 3T+3T: "Peggy, would you advise it?". And she answered exactly this: "Well I think she should probably go for it, she's been practicing it the prectises this week, she just practised right before this program started
and it looked very well so she very well could try that". Ok, she said it once, she might have meant to say practise but she said about warm-up once again right after Michelle landed 3S: "She was practising a triple salchow, triple loop in the warmp-up". I think that she wouldn't have repeated the same mistake. There's a chance someone has the warm-up, I'd love to see it and Irina probably also did some big combinations there.

**Extranjera** · 01-27-2011, 05:45 PM

Let's remember Michelle tried to do combination with 3 loop in 2001/02 season, I think it's possible she warmed up 3s/3lo one year earlier.

And I agree with Bartek that it seems impossble Peggy made the same mistake twice.

**Marco** · 01-27-2011, 06:01 PM

She was seen practicing 3loop3loops at 1997 SA in front of Lipinski and 3sal3loops and 3lutz3loops at 2001 SA in front of Hughes. Wouldn't surprise me if she practiced the 3sal3loop in front of Slutskaya at 2001 Worlds. Probably on competition ice to throw off Slutskaya's game plan?

**orbitz** · 01-27-2011, 07:00 PM

I was surprised Michelle attempted the 3ltz-3lp at SC. The 3lp attempt was so tiny - barely any lift off the ice and Michelle was never a fast rotater in the air - that it made me think that she never landed that combo cleanly. If she landed it in practice then it the loop part was probably very cheated on the landing.

**BigB08822** · 01-27-2011, 07:05 PM

I think Michelle could have cleanly done the 3sal/3loop because her salchow simply flew across the ice and she always had such speed carrying through the landing. So she could use that momentum to make up somewhat for the fact that she wasn't a super fast rotator or big on height. Her 3lutz/3loop attempt was surely not her best and I have to believe she did better ones in practices or she would never have tried it in competition. I am not sure she would ever get one credited TODAY but she was not competing under COP and under rotations were very rarely taken into account unless they were more than 1/2 a rotation short, otherwise Slutskaya would have had some big issues during her time at the top.

**bartek** · 01-27-2011, 08:29 PM

I've already collected all triple-triples she landed in competitions. Now I'm searching for attempts from warm-ups and practise clips. I've come across 2002 Olympics warm-up with 3T+3T and the same combo from 2000 Worlds warm-up. Does anyone know something else?

**skatingfan5** · 01-27-2011, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by bartek

I've already collected all triple-triples she landed in competitions. Now I'm searching for attempts from warm-ups and practise clips. I've come across 2002 Olympics warm-up with 3T+3T and the same combo from 2000 Worlds warm-up. Does anyone know something else?

I seem to have a vague memory of a 3T-3T in some warm-up when she was wearing the lavender "Ariane" dress -- I guess that would be either from Nationals or Worlds in 1999. Of course, I could have "misremembered" that.

**bartek** · 01-28-2011, 01:08 AM

The video is ready and available to watch. Here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzwg2cxpPq0

Hope you like it! Please enjoy, share & comment!

Could anyone put the adress of site with the video in the first post of this thread?

**giselle23** · 01-28-2011, 03:55 AM

I'm pretty sure she did a 3-3 either in the warm-up or a televised practice at the 2002 Olympics.

**BigB08822** · 01-28-2011, 05:46 AM

Thanks! I know she only ever successfully did 3toe/3toe but she really did them all so well. It was very rare for her to go for it and not do it cleanly and fully rotated. I think I saw one two footed attempt and maybe one that was slightly UR but that was towards the end of her 3/3 attempts in her career.

**CantALoop** · 01-28-2011, 10:18 AM

I always loved how the second 3T was usually just as high, or sometimes even higher than the first one.

**Extranjera** · 01-28-2011, 10:19 AM

My favourite 3-3s by Michelle were at nationals in 1999 and worlds in 2001

**bartek** · 01-28-2011, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Extranjera

My favourite 3-3s by Michelle were at nationals in 1999 and worlds in 2001

I agree with Nationals 1999, it's the best out of all, 2001 Worlds is also wonderful but the second toe is a bit underrotated. Today, it could have got 70% value.

**skatingfan5** · 01-28-2011, 05:25 PM

Michelle was really on at 2001 Worlds -- both her QR and FS programs had 7 triples, including 3T-3T. And I remember being worried that she wouldn't make it back on the ice in time for the QR, after the heel of her skate came loose during the warm-up.

But she not only made it back, but she skated spectacularly.

Seeing that 3T-3T from the SLC warm-up still makes me a bit

. If only .... <sigh>

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