Downton Abbey--Upstairs/Downstairs, Stiff Upper Lips, and Tea!

[my little pony]

well, he had that injury that the dr said would keep his hoo ha from functioning properly. then it spontaneously healed. maybe not so much.

i cried during tonight's epi

[IceAlisa]

Spoil me, mlp. They are not yet showing it here.

[my little pony]

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sybil's dr wanted her to go to the hospital because she had pre eclampsia. but there was this other dr there, sir philip, that lord grantham deferred to. sir philip thought she's be fine. lady grantham wanted her to go to the hospital. while they fought about it forever, she went into labor. but later on, she had a seizure from the pre eclampsia and died. lady grantham kicked lord grantham out of the bedroom over it

[jlai]

well, he had that injury that the dr said would keep his hoo ha from functioning properly. then it spontaneously healed. maybe not so much.

i cried during tonight's epi

I have a suspicion the issue may be on her side, whatever that is. (She went to the doctor after all)
I cried too.

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[my little pony]

that's true she did. i wonder what diagnostic tools were available at that time for correctly predicting barriers to fertility?

[danceronice]

well, he had that injury that the dr said would keep his hoo ha from functioning properly. then it spontaneously healed. maybe not so much.

i cried during tonight's epi

Can't be that, Sir Malpractice did ask if everything was 'functioning' and Matthew indicated it was. (The worry was he was paralyzed and literally could not have performed sexually, not that there was anything reproductively wrong. If they're having sex, and they clearly are, that's not the issue.) And ironically, Dr. Expert WAS right--it's only been a few months and Matthew and Mary are stressing about it. #1 way to make it LESS likely to get pregnant is to obsess over it and try too hard. Yes, he could do a 'test' (I think they were subtly referring to a sperm motility check) but there is nothing unusual about her not being pregnant from a medical standpoint.

Now, if only Mr. Invitation-To-a-Lawsuit could

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know preeclampsia when he saw it before it became full-on eclampsia and she DIED. The local GP should not be pointing out the blindingly obvious to the specialist if the specialist isn't a moron. Way to kill the patient, doc.

[IceAlisa]

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sybil's dr wanted her to go to the hospital because she had pre eclampsia. but there was this other dr there, sir philip, that lord grantham deferred to. sir philip thought she's be fine. lady grantham wanted her to go to the hospital. while they fought about it forever, she went into labor. but later on, she had a seizure from the pre eclampsia and died. lady grantham kicked lord grantham out of the bedroom over it

Thanks!

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I knew that Sybil dies from a pregnancy-related condition. Not sure what difference it would have made for her to go to the hospital, I doubt they had anti-hypertensives. The only thing she could have done is bed rest. Seems like she was doomed.

[my little pony]

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what he said was that if she had a c section, it could prevent the pre eclampsia. but he couldnt guarantee anything. the other dr who has a title said he 100% guaranteed that she would have a healthy baby w/o going to the hospital ( even though nothing is 100% so he sounded arrogant to me). but lord grantham thought the 100% guarantee was the better deal.

[jlai]

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That was a tough choice though. The alternative was probably just as risky in those days I suspect

[IceAlisa]

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The only cure for preeclampsia is delivery. She must have been close to delivery then if they were considering C-section.

[jlai]

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The only cure for preeclampsia is delivery. She must have been close to delivery then if they were considering C-section.

Was it safe to do it back then?

[IceAlisa]

There is always a risk but I think it was more so back then. Hmm....watching it now. Sybil's mental state is altered. I am with Dr. Clarkson though because she was in danger anyway so a C-section might have been the only chance. Sir Philip is an incompetent jerk. Then of course, it may not have made any difference.

[Wyliefan]

I was spoiled, but a lot of my Facebook friends weren't, poor things. My feed last night was full of their cries. (It WAS very sad to watch, even though I knew beforehand.)

Spoilerish for a couple of episodes from now:

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One friend said she couldn't take another episode like that. Now I'm wondering if I should warn her that another episode like that is coming up very shortly . . .

[danceronice]

Personally I'm looking forward to one line coming up because I'm dying to know why it's said, given the bad blood between the speaker and the person whose bacon he/she is saving:

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Bates (to O'Brien, whispered): Her ladyship's soap.

[Japanfan]

[QUOTE=danceronice;3819950]Personally I'm looking forward to one line coming up because I'm dying to know why it's said, given the bad blood between the speaker and the person whose bacon he/she is saving:

I'm confused. When did this conversation occur? Isn't everyone watching season 3 right now - and the speaker is in jail.

[Lara]

Season finale before the "Christmas" special.

[znachki]

[QUOTE=Japanfan;3820183]

Personally I'm looking forward to one line coming up because I'm dying to know why it's said, given the bad blood between the speaker and the person whose bacon he/she is saving:

I'm confused. When did this conversation occur? Isn't everyone watching season 3 right now - and the speaker is in jail.

Season 3 aired months ago in the UK, so many people have seen it already. It is only airing now in the US and Canada. You have to be very careful in this thread to avoid spoilers.

[danceronice]

This is the thread with spoilers (it started when the series was airing the UK months ago). If you want no spoilers from people in the UK/with expat shield/who just go looking for them, do not read this thread.

[Latte]

I read the spoilers on the other thread so I knew what was coming. I am glad because I don 't think I could have been able to watch that if it had been a surprise.
And I agree with Cora, it was Robert's fault. Just like the nobles of the time, if someone is titled, and rich, you pay more attention to what they say even if they are a idiot instead of listening to the Doctor you have known all your life.
Imagine, all of them quite happily eating dinner while she was dying. Idiots.

[IceAlisa]

Latte, a C-section may not have saved her either. She could have gotten eclampsia anyway or died from complications from the surgery. However, there was a chance things would have gone better. There is no telling for sure but Sir Philip may have deprived her of the only chance she had. Or not.