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    Sorry for the OT but since there is no Australian skating thread:

    Why wasn't Robert McNamara nominated for 4CCs? He was second at Nationals where he landed some triples.

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    Robbie has probably turned it down due to the cost. He did do an interntional event after Nationals.

    Robbie skated great at Nationals, considering he hadn't been training that much leading up to it.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Robert MacNamara failed to attain the minimum score required to attend a championship event. He and Jessica Kurzawski both went to Goldern Spin in Zagreb in an effort to post a score- both failed.

    Love Robbie to death, on a good day he has the ability and carisma to be top 20 in the world but due to financial contraints he doesn't travel with a coach which seems to come against him when it matters. This is an example of an Australian skater with a barrow load of talent and parents without the $$ to sustain the training to move on. His state association has been very supportive but there will always be short falls if skaters go overseas to train.

    This will continue to be an issue with figure skating in Australia and now with the international minimum score we are going to see the Australian team continue to shrink. No longer will we see the team comprising of mediocre performers with personal fianancial resources to get them to the competitions. We will also see some really talented skaters without personal $$ being lost to the sport.

    On Cheltzie- the plan was for Cheltzie to withdraw from National Championships all along but as the "draw card" of the championships the charade had to be maintained in an effort to get the skaters from early in the competition to stay on the watch her compete. She had to be entered to receive a medical bye as well as to meet the selection criteria for the Morgan Innes scholarship. Reality is it doesn't matter what is written on the element sheet for a competition if the plan is not to compete anyway. Whispers are that she was offerred a GP this season but was unable to accept due to the injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpin Bean View Post
    On Cheltzie- ...Reality is it doesn't matter what is written on the element sheet for a competition if the plan is not to compete anyway. Whispers are that she was offerred a GP this season but was unable to accept due to the injury.
    I can't see Cheltzie making the free at worlds (assuming she skates clean in the short), with more than a 3sal/2toe and a 3toe in the short. Also, if Cheltzie wants to meet her goals of a top ten finish, she needs more jump content than that.

    Her injury reminds me of what Joanne Carter faced following the Olympic Season in 1998. She was injured as well, and it took until 2005 (returning to close to her former technical potential) for her to come back to the World circuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpin Bean View Post
    Love Robbie to death, on a good day he has the ability and carisma to be top 20 in the world but due to financial contraints he doesn't travel with a coach which seems to come against him when it matters. This is an example of an Australian skater with a barrow load of talent and parents without the $$ to sustain the training to move on. His state association has been very supportive but there will always be short falls if skaters go overseas to train. .
    Top 20 potential? Does Robert have a triple axel or a triple / triple?

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    Quote Originally Posted by essence_of_soy View Post
    I can't see Cheltzie making the free at worlds (assuming she skates clean in the short), with more than a 3sal/2toe and a 3toe in the short.
    That's all she had at the 2010 OLYs and made the free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BittyBug View Post
    That's all she had at the 2010 OLYs and made the free.
    This year there are skaters with more than that.

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    Well there always are. It just comes down to who delivers. If Lee skates clean, she has a good shot of making the cut.
    "I miss footwork that has any kind of a discernible pattern. The goal of a step sequence should not be for a skater to show the same ice coverage as a Zamboni and take about as much time as an ice resurface. " ~ Zemgirl, reflecting on a pre-IJS straight line sequence

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    Robbie does have 3A and on a good day can land 3s/3t.

    I tend to agree that Cheltzie will be battling to make the cut at worlds. She has not been able to put the on ice training in since July and her programs have not been tweaked under competition conditions. Off ice conditioning does not equal competition fitness. Her competitors have mostly been at full fitness, meeting full training committments and have already had the opportunity to tweak programs under competition conditions. The field at OWG, while considered the pinacle of competing is not always as strong the field seen at WC in non OWG years.

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    Cheltzie will easily qualify to the short at Worlds with 3t/2t, 3s and 2a, provided she skates clean and gets the levels.

    I feel very sorry for Robbie. He's a really cool skater. If only Australian skaters were funded...

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    ^ Cheltzie, if she goes to Worlds, will not need to skate in the preliminary round to qualify for the SP.

    Cheltzie's 17th place finish last season earned AUS Federation one direct entry to the Worlds Ladies SP.

    Cheltzie would have a direct entry to the SP at 2011 Worlds if she is sent as Australia's ladies entry (AUS is entitled to one ladies entry at 2011 Worlds).

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    Sorry I meant to say she will easily qualify to the FS is she skates a clean SP, even with just 3t/2t and 3s.

    She has the overall quality and Ladies usually are very inconsistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpin Bean View Post
    Robbie does have 3A and on a good day can land 3s/3t.
    never ever ever, seen Robbie do a 3A or 3s/3t combo. If he can then why hasn't he done them in competition or at least got the minimum technical element score at competitions.
    Has trouble doing 2A's. I think his carisma has rubbed off here.

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    Happy to see that our National Champion, Mark Webster has a triple axel.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/jctmwebs.../0/W9J47lD8xm4

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    very nice jump!!!!
    I see he is entered at 4CC hope he does well. Watched the other vid's as well. Nice skater, hope he gets to worlds.

    I also notice that the ladies have a preliminary round.

    http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent00011209.htm

    Jamie will have it tough going amongst this field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by essence_of_soy View Post
    Happy to see that our National Champion, Mark Webster has a triple axel.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/jctmwebs.../0/W9J47lD8xm4
    Good for him but that axel is cheated a bit. Impossible to tell how much exactly without slo-mo, though.

    Does Mark train in Canada or just goes there every now and then?

    Quote Originally Posted by icemarker View Post
    I also notice that the ladies have a preliminary round.

    http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent00011209.htm

    Jamie will have it tough going amongst this field.
    Honestly, if they go ahead with it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by essence_of_soy View Post
    Happy to see that our National Champion, Mark Webster has a triple axel.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/jctmwebs.../0/W9J47lD8xm4
    Ha ha - on the clip of his SP from Nationals if you see a reddish blob through the glass just where he does his combo that is me!!!

    Mark did go for his 3a at Nationals in the FS and got it counted.
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    Our Australian skaters are dropping out of the sport at an alarming rate due to lack of competition, lack of funding, limited coaching, support, criticism, lack of designated sessions etc, etc ! The training mentality here in Australia is NOT as motivating and competitive as that of the larger figure skating dominating nations!

    It saddens me that OBVIOUSLY there are those in the Australian community that find it so easy to criticise. Not just Cheltzie but I have read not so nice things about Danielle O'Brien and Greg Merriman, Phoeobe Di tomasso, Robert McNamara, Mark Webster and other senior skaters in Australia.

    At the end of the day, these skaters skate for Australia. Criticise if you will but Cheltzie has delivered and delivered with poise, grace, humility and GUTS!!!! She has done a lot for Australia via way of her achievements. GIVE the girl her props and let her get on with enjoying the sport. She is basically our only Senior ladies skater left in Australia! Battling injury, school commitments and beating the ODDs she's still standing!!! I'm SO sick of our tall poppy syndrome and further so saddened that it is alive and rampant!

    To those who criticise your time will come AND I don't wish for you what you are inflicting on innocent skaters. I have 3 children who skate and they hang on the words of encouragement from our Senior skaters. My children aspire to achieve what these international skaters have achieved.

    I have the greatest admiration for our elite skaters. They represent our country well. We and ONLY we know the challenges.....UNBELIEVABLE challenges in OUR country that these skaters and our sport face. If you don't know JUST ASK one of them.

    WHO CARES if Cheltzie doesn't qualify. She will continue to do her best to compete and compete well for Australia as ALL our international skaters continue to do. GO LUCK TO THEM ALL at 4 Continents Championships. They're all champions!!

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    Further to my previous post:

    Canterbury Ice rink was a buzz yesterday! Cheltzie was on the ice practicing her programs. Brendan and Chantelle Kerry returned from training in LA. It was a delight for my children to be able to watch these skaters in action.

    Brendan Kerry landed a beautiful 3lz 3t combo! How impressive...a very talented young man. I have yet to see him pull off the 3A but quite a few people say he can and that I don't doubt. Cheltzie landed a few 3lz and a few 3t3t combos in the first half of the short prog. Maybe training it for Worlds??? I haven't seen her do 3lo's lately but certainly 3f's.

    I hope the 2011 season will see them pull off these magnificent jumps in competition! I love coming to Canterbury rink!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by isk8junkie View Post
    Our Australian skaters are dropping out of the sport at an alarming rate due to lack of competition, lack of funding, limited coaching, support, criticism, lack of designated sessions etc, etc ! The training mentality here in Australia is NOT as motivating and competitive as that of the larger figure skating dominating nations!

    It saddens me that OBVIOUSLY there are those in the Australian community that find it so easy to criticise. Not just Cheltzie but I have read not so nice things about Danielle O'Brien and Greg Merriman, Phoeobe Di tomasso, Robert McNamara, Mark Webster and other senior skaters in Australia.


    Quote Originally Posted by isk8junkie View Post
    Further to my previous post:

    Cheltzie landed a few 3lz and a few 3t3t combos in the first half of the short prog. Maybe training it for Worlds??? I haven't seen her do 3lo's lately but certainly 3f's.
    That's great! Go Cheltzie!

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