Kim 2007-to date
Yamaguchi 1991-1992 (or 1991-1997 extended to pros)
I think Kwan, especially in her own country. There was Cohen, Lipinski, Hughes, and even Bobek sometimes. Not to mention Slutskaya, Butyrskaya, Chen..
It is true that Yuna at her best is head and shoulders above the rest of the field, but Yuna has only skated one clean competition in her career - the 2010 Olympics. Mao from 05-07 could outjump everyone but now, even when she skates her best, skaters like Miki, Joannie (if she ever comes back), Mirai, Carolina, Laura and even Alissa and Kanako are threats.
With less pressure and no injuries, Kim probably would have won everything in her senior career by a large margin, but she did have tons of pressure and was battling injuries for a long time, so it made things harder for her to stay on top. This combined with the fact that Asada, Rochette, and Ando have been rather inconsistent over the last few seasons mixes things up, as do the European skaters like Kostner and Lepisto who the judges will reward with huge scores if they skate well, and some Americans like Meissner in her heyday and Nagasu last season are capable of bothering Mao and Yuna from time to time.
Not just because I was a huge fan but this one really is Kwan, IMO.
For a 10 year period her name was always mentioned in the top 3 ladies in the World. The other two would always change but Michelle was consistently (and deservedly) always mentioned as a threat to take the title at any competition she entered. Irina would be my next choice, but she wasn't on top for as long as Kwan and didn't win as many medals. (though love and miss her, too!) After Irina I would pick Witt.
Kim/Asada hasn't lasted as long as the 3 above quite yet, and didn't have as many peope on their level to compete with as the above 3, IMO.
Kwan, as an obvious choice.
I'd like to think Witt too, because she had her fair share of rivals especially from the American women, in the mid to late 80's. However, out of her 4 world titles the only one IMO that was most convincing was the one in '87. She was successful, but very very lucky indeed.
post from way back:
As for my vote... there's no questionFor me the only problem I have with "Wait until their rivals mature for the head-2-heads to count" logic is that it discounts many quality wins like in the case of Kwan vs. Slutskaya.
Skating clean is no longer the standard under CoP. CoP has de-emphasized the clean program. Regardless of what happens in the SP, Yu Na's proven herself as a remarkable free skater. Her intangibles, CoP savvy, and reliable triple triple combo have typically allowed her a healthy 1-2 fall advantage per competition over the other skaters.Originally Posted by pinky166
How many of those rivals have finsihed above Yu Na in a competition, though? 2? Ando and Asada.With less pressure and no injuries, Kim probably would have won everything in her senior career by a large margin, but she did have tons of pressure and was battling injuries for a long time, so it made things harder for her to stay on top. This combined with the fact that Asada, Rochette, and Ando have been rather inconsistent over the last few seasons mixes things up, as do the European skaters like Kostner and Lepisto who the judges will reward with huge scores if they skate well, and some Americans like Meissner in her heyday and Nagasu last season are capable of bothering Mao and Yuna from time to time.
Joannie and Suguri finished above Yu-Na at 2006 Skate Canada (her senior debut) and Kostner also edged her at 2008 Worlds.
Not meant to challenge the above post, but speaking of 2011 Worlds I don’t think it would be a walk in the park for Yu-Na, given that it’s being held in Tokyo. Last time she competed in Japan (2009 GPF), she barely beat Ando after the second leg of her 3-3 got downgraded, the only such downgrade she has received in her career. And even if Yu-Na skate relatively clean, I think they would keep things closer so that it wouldn’t be a foregone conclusion too early.
I think perhaps Kwan or Asada... Not only did they have stiff competition internationally, but also nationally. They had to be on top at more competitions during the seasons, as they had to place top three at their Nationals with a deep field.
It's not as if Kwan was 4 years older than Slutskaya.
Clearly Gizmo should win. She's been around twice as long as Kwan, therefore she's had twice as many competitors. And she looks like a dominant lady who spends alot of time on topWhich dominant lady singles skater had the most competition while on top
^ No, Gizmo is the same competitor spread out twice as long, therefore only halfway up the standings
Does FSU plan to have a Kwan icon/smiley?
Miki was insanely overscored at Japanese Nationals even under inflated National scoring. Her performance was no better than her LP at the GP final which scored something like 15 points lower. Those PCS and GOE on spins, LOL! Mao suffered from only having 3 or 4 credited triples. She skated pretty well but can still do alot better.
IMO Michelle never really had more than one threat at once:
96 season: Chen was the only threat, and she bombed all the events except Worlds.
97 and 98 seasons: Lipinski was the only threat, and even she was no threat to a clean Michelle (except Nagano which shocked everyone).
99 season: Michelle had no threat even though she found a way to give away Worlds that year.
2000-2002 seasons. Irina was the only threat.
2003 season: Michelle had no threat.
Only starting in 2004 did Michelle for the first time have multiple threats with Arakawa, Cohen, and Slutskaya. However that is because she was by now past her prime due to age, a falling apart body with a bad hip, and a new scoring system. It didnt really have anything to do with the level of competition IMO.
So breaking it down on average I could never vote for her as the one who had the strongest competition.
Last edited by judgejudy27; 01-19-2011 at 07:05 PM.
The judging in 2008 Worlds was very curious and that may give your point about 2011 Worlds more credibility. I think Here's an excerpt from Sonia Bianchetti's 2008 Worlds review..
I think the judges have really wanted Kostner as world champion for a while now. Kostner has many great qualities about her skating, but unless she's able to overcome the sea of hurdles in her way, when all is said and done I don't think we'll look back on her as having been a major factor. I hope she's not swept in to the category of what could have been.In my opinion Yuna Kim was by far the best skater that night. Still, her marks in the components did not reflect this. Her total score was 58.56, just 0.4 ahead of Kostner and almost 1.03 less than Asada. Had she been marked correctly, although she was only fifth in the short program, she might have won the World title.