View Poll Results: 2008 World Pairs event- who deserved gold

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  • Savchenko & Szolkowy (winners)

    41 68.33%
  • Zhang & Zhang (silver medalists)

    9 15.00%
  • Dube & Davison (bronze medalists)

    7 11.67%
  • Pang & Tong (5th place finishers)

    3 5.00%
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    2008 World pairs event- Who deserved the gold

    Looking back at the 2008 World pairs event there seemed to be alot of debate about the results. Savchenko & Szolkowy were already considered the Worlds best pairs team but made a mistake in the short and numerous glaring mistakes in the long. Many actually felt the Zhangs were robbed at the time, even though their long was a bit flat and slow and also had a couple mistakes. There were others who actually felt Dube & Davison who had the competition and long program skate of their lives were robbed and should have won the long program and placed higher than bronze. Some also felt Pang & Tong who finished 5th after being hit hard on some UR jump calls were unfairly marked.

    Who do you feel should have won the pairs event this year.

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    Who came in 4th? Since 5th is there, shouldn't you list 4th too?

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    Despite the mistakes, I think Savchenko & Szolkowy deserved to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taf2002 View Post
    Who came in 4th? Since 5th is there, shouldn't you list 4th too?
    Kavaguti & Smirnov.

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    D/D did have the LP of their life but they were just too far back in the SP to catch up to S/S (not that they would have beat them anyway) they also only beat Z/Z by only 0.66 in the LP. I think the placements were correct in the short and long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taf2002 View Post
    Who came in 4th? Since 5th is there, shouldn't you list 4th too?
    I guess I should have but I dont remember anyone saying they should have even been on the podium after the event. They were pretty much non discussed after the event and I dont even remember their skate too well except landing a quad throw and making some other mistakes after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    I guess I should have but I dont remember anyone saying they should have even been on the podium after the event. They were pretty much non discussed after the event and I dont even remember their skate too well except landing a quad throw and making some other mistakes after.
    K/S lost the bronze medal by 1.44 points, so they were pretty close to making it on the podium. I remember them really biffing the 3T seq, if they had nailed those, they would have won a medal. P/T getting 4th over them would have been the travesty.

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    Savchenko&Szolkowy, without any doubt !
    I think they would have deserved the 2010 Euros title as well

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    Looking at the protocals again I understand the result even though it surprised me a bit at the time. The EuroSport commentators were definitely surprised at the time:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAxTbMwnf6o

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    Quote Originally Posted by briancoogaert View Post
    I think they would have deserved the 2010 Euros title as well
    Me too!

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    Why, Johnny Weir, of course. And he would have, if only TPTB in skating weren't so hellbent on persecuting him for being gay!
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    Savchenko/Szolkowy, as all of the above pairs either splatted/underrotated. D/D I do recall were too far off in the SP...

    Plus i think that year the judging panel were rewarding difficult programs (i mean choreography and transitions) a lot better too. hence, S/S would easily win despite technically not skating their LP well.

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    People mostly talk about the LPs when they dispute the results of this event, but how did these teams do in the SPs? I think S/S, Z/Z and K/S were clean and the top 3 after the short. I don't remember more at this point so I don't really have an informed opinion.

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    I remember thinking P/T were robbed, but I can't remember if I thought they deserved to actually win or just medal/place higher than they did. I have thought they were completely robbed on so many occasions, and then when they do finally win it always seems to be with some not very good performances so it's a total let down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laviemn View Post
    People mostly talk about the LPs when they dispute the results of this event, but how did these teams do in the SPs? I think S/S, Z/Z and K/S were clean and the top 3 after the short. I don't remember more at this point so I don't really have an informed opinion.
    S/S were not clean in the short. One of them stepped out of the side by side triple toes. They were 2nd after the short because of this error by about 2.5 points behind the Zhangs.

    S/S and P/T were the only top teams to have a miss in the short. Qing Pang stepped out of the triple toe and it was underrotated and downgraded and were 5th in the short. K/S and D/D were clean in the short too and were placed 3rd and 4th, K/S about 3.5 points back of the Zhangs, D/D about 6 points back.

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    Wow I thought skateboy would atleast have an opinion on this thread as I know he is a big fan of the Zhangs. I was curious what he thought.

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    SP

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    Z/Z 43.50
    K/S 42.28 -1.22
    S/S 40.75 -2.75
    D/D 40.52 -2.98
    P/T 37.58 -5.92

    PCS
    S/S 31.25
    Z/Z 30.86 -0.39
    P/T 30.29 -0.96
    K/S 29.14 -2.11
    D/D 28.14 -3.11

    TOTAL
    Z/Z 74.36
    S/S 72.00 -2.36
    K/S 71.42 -2.94
    D/D 68.66 -5.70
    P/T 67.87 -6.49

    People do often forget about the short and how a few points can make a huge difference going into the long. People were just upset that P/T got no credit for the 3T because it was downgraded, like it's impossible for them to mess up a jump (even though they fall, step out and open too early) it was unfortunate for P/T that it happened but it was correct.

    If they would have done it correctly they would have probably been in 2nd or 3rd.

    Z/Z (no music )
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    K/S
    D/D
    No P/T, sorry...please post if you find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Wow I thought skateboy would atleast have an opinion on this thread as I know he is a big fan of the Zhangs. I was curious what he thought.
    If you opened this thread to know his opinion, why didn't you just send him a PM ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by briancoogaert View Post
    Savchenko&Szolkowy, without any doubt !
    I think they would have deserved the 2010 Euros title as well
    Absolutely

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    I think they would have deserved the 2010 Euros title as well
    They made too many mistakes that night to win that one.

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