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    Hasn't it been 10 years since Michelle has used the music? I don't see what the big deal is other than the inevitable comparisons. Who knows, maybe Flatt will make it her own? It's a pretty piece of music that works well for skating.

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    Also, Sarah Kawahara choreographed Michelle's Schez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10J View Post
    .... Rachael's new SP is to East of Eden.

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    Bad news: Gee, how "original" (not).

    Good news: I don't think that she'll have an opportunity to fan herself -- or make other cutesy moves -- with this.
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    I can't help but think that it will draw very, very unfavorable comparisons. Even Kwan had to adjust EoE to handle technical requirements of the SP -- and I'd say that the SP version wasn't nearly as nice as the World Pro version that gave her time to really emphasize all of the edge moves. And now with even more required in the way of an SP -- and without a spiral sequence -- I'm not optimistic.

    Put this in the , "what were they thinking?" category. Ugh.

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    I see nothing wrong with her (or anyone else) re-using music. Would people rather the ISU institute a policy that once a skaters use a piece of music it should be retired and never used again? That is silly. Especially since it's been sssooooooo long since MK used it; I thing skaters should take into consideration if it's been a year or two......but I think RF is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by attyfan View Post
    Well, using "Schez" for Evan didn't do him any harm, so maybe, Lori thought that other "Michelle music" would have a similar effect with other skaters?
    There's no way Rachael can pull off East of Eden...

    She simply doesn't have the grace to pull off music like that... I'm hoping she's going to prove me wrong, but I don't think so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by attyfan View Post
    Well, using "Schez" for Evan didn't do him any harm, so maybe, Lori thought that other "Michelle music" would have a similar effect with other skaters?
    Lori also didn't choreograph Michelle's "Schez" program, and it's not like a ton of other skaters hadn't used the music as well. Actually I think "Schez" was the start of the Michelle using a lot of over-used music sadly. (And I'm a huge MK fan.)

    Although my initial reaction is that it isn't a great choice, the fact remains that programs look so different under CoP than under 6.0 that other than the music they shouldn't be very similar. And Lori Nichol's programs for Kostner this season (I skater I haven't liked too much in the past) are really wonderful. (So, sorry if I disagree with you oleada.)

    For Rachel I think the biggest challenge is not so much interpreting the lyricism of the music as to how well she has recovered from her injuries that have plagued her earlier in the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    I'm not one of those who believes a a skater OWNS a specific piece of music but having said that, on what planet is this a good idea? Did Lori Nichol lose her mind?
    I agree. Skaters can choose whatever music they want. If the last program was an attempt to showcase Rachael's personality and that didn't work, then I see getting a different piece of music. However, East of Eden is the last music I would pick for Rachael. I actually believe that something bigger, more dynamic, maybe along the lines of something Slutskaya used could work for Rachael. I think she needs to let go of the idea of the bubbly or ethereal programs.
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    I totally think of John Curry whenever I hear Scheherazade. He owns it, IMO.

    Lori Nichol hasn't had a standout work of choreography since she worked with Michelle. She was really her muse. Didn't Yoshie Onda skate to the "Red Violin" a couple seasons back? Talk about recycling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bardtoob View Post
    I love that program. However, the program that really owned Scheherezade to me is Blumberg and Seibert's 1984 Free Dance. No other program has even come close to that one for me where that music is concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by julieann View Post
    I see nothing wrong with her (or anyone else) re-using music. Would people rather the ISU institute a policy that once a skaters use a piece of music it should be retired and never used again? That is silly. Especially since it's been sssooooooo long since MK used it; I thing skaters should take into consideration if it's been a year or two......but I think RF is fine.
    I don't see anyone suggesting that the ISU implement any such policy; that's a canard.

    What I do see are people suggesting that it was a poorly-thought-out choice on the part of Flatt and Nichol that is likely to not display Flatt to advantage. Same if another guy came along and skated to Takahashi's techno Swan Lake music but without Takahashi's footwork skills. It isn't the case that Takahashi "owns" the music - it just doesn't do the second skater any advantage.

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    This may shock some but I had to google Kwans EoE to see what she did to it to make it untouchable. So in Rachael's favour it won't draw comparisons with everyone.
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    I think this might work for Rachael. I don't really think of EoE as ethereal. I would describe it as majestic, which is why I believe it might suit her. I think her Olympic LP to Rachmaninoff has been the best thing she's done, and this is in the same ballpark.

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    Kwan's East of Eden is one of her best SP, IMO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb51K3GcGCE

    Flatt will be compared to that (and will come up way short), but the bigger issue is that the music doesn't suit Flatt at all. Like I said earlier, this is a huge mistake.

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    I find it sad that many of you are trashing her new sp without having seen it. Music doesn't belong to one skater. There have been instances of iconic music being reused years later and the skaters having great sucess. Wait until you see Rachael's program before you decide she has or hasn't made a mistake.
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    As I said in the other thread.... I am not worried about choice of music as much as timing. She really looked "unprepared" at GPF. She has an injury. Did they really need to push a new program through too.... Just scares me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    I'm not one of those who believes a a skater OWNS a specific piece of music but having said that, on what planet is this a good idea? Did Lori Nichol lose her mind?
    No, she just has a very small CD collection and refuses to leave that very small comfort zone.
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    I wish her well with it. EoE will always be Michelle's to me, but it doesn't take anything away from Michelle when others skate to it, so why not? It's up to them if they want to draw those comparisons. It's possible it might inspire her and help her with smoothing out her lines. Not that I'll hold my breath, but I do hope it helps her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marbri View Post
    This may shock some but I had to google Kwans EoE to see what she did to it to make it untouchable. So in Rachael's favour it won't draw comparisons with everyone.
    I don't find it shocking. It just means you didn't start watching skating until 2002 or else you didn't watch ladies between 1994 & 2001.

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