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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    But if she was that heavy, they'd flip out on her so I am sure she is fine.
    On second thought, I'm starting to wonder if they cast her precisely because she isn't waifish. There are several dancers alternating the Sugar Plum role, including waifs like Wendy Whelan, but Ringer was selected as the top Sugar Plum to promote the NYCB's performance. As you can see, she looks healthy, friendly, and warm--the ideal NYCB ambassador to kids.
    Quote Originally Posted by agalisgv View Post
    On a separate note, I've heard Vishneva described in many ways, but disgusting hasn't been one of them.
    Unless you're referring to her feet
    Last edited by Gazpacho; 12-12-2010 at 01:58 AM.

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    Vishneva is amazing! Here's another amazing dancer, from back a while:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-Tgfx5jFkI

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    Great clip, cruisin

    My fav:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwy6IqHwUVQ

    Please don't call her disgusting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazpacho View Post
    Unless you're referring to her feet
    I remember seeing this pic from the site you posted and thinking it wasn't the best look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agalisgv View Post
    Great clip, cruisin

    My fav:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwy6IqHwUVQ

    Please don't call her disgusting
    That was breathtaking. Really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agalisgv View Post
    I remember seeing this pic from the site you posted and thinking it wasn't the best look.
    Yeah, that's not good. I bet you could see internal organs in HD. But the dying swan by Uliana Lopatkina is exquisite.

    And Gelsey Kirkland is light as a featha' in the video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PRlady View Post
    That was breathtaking. Really.
    It is. BTW, Diana Vishneva is performing Giselle in D.C. in early February 2011 at the Kennedy Center. I would love to see this but she is not coming to the West Coast. Go see it and tell us about it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by agalisgv View Post
    Great clip, cruisin

    My fav:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwy6IqHwUVQ

    Please don't call her disgusting
    Disgusting? That was magnificent!

    Anyone remember Leslie Browne, from The Turning Point? She was so charming, but I don't think she was among the elite in ballet.

    Anyone know anything about what I am reading re: ballet in the next winter Olympics?

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    I had the extraordinary pleasure of seeing Lopatkina perform The Dying Swan live. Believe it or not, the performance I saw was even more sublime than the video above. When the music stopped, the audience literally gasped for breath, so amazing was the performance.

    That same night I got to see Vishneva live too--just superb. An unforgettable evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agalisgv View Post
    I had the extraordinary pleasure of seeing Lopatkina perform The Dying Swan live. Believe it or not, the performance I saw was even more sublime than the video above. When the music stopped, the audience literally gasped for breath, so amazing was the performance.

    That same night I got to see Vishneva live too--just superb. An unforgettable evening.
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    Ailey is not a "classical" ballet company. It's fabulous, unique, and very American, but it is not European or even American classical ballet. The dancers take classical ballet class every day, but they are not classcial ballet dancers per se though very adept in it. Probably the finest contemporatry ballet company in the world. They have a different aesthetic, and much more muscular and very much more diverse in style.

    Ballet is so complex. We Americans think Balanchine changed the ballet world, and he certainly did, especially in this country, but it's a big world. Watch video of Russian dancers of the same era and you see a whole lot of stick insects. Mezentseva anyone? Makarova wasn't bulky, either. I remember a famous quote found in Margot Fonteyn's "Magic of Dance" book where one of the early French ballerinas said that a dancer should live off of the air and butterfly wings. I think whenever weightlessness is an ideal, weight is an issue.

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    I stumbled upon a video of Alla Sizova and I liked her a lot. Pretty feet. Never gave a second thought to her weight.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njcNdGU1oBQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holley Calmes View Post
    Ailey is not a "classical" ballet company.

    ...I think whenever weightlessness is an ideal, weight is an issue.
    The point was if having lightness and fluidity of movement are you goals, then weight (according to that one account I mentioned) isn't the primary issue. I brought up Alvin Ailey because IMO, they achieve those ideals in their classical ballet renditions without resorting to a particular bodily aesthetic. I provided a clip of Alicia Graf because in that clip, I thought the fluidity of her dance achieved that as well--again while having a different bodily aesthetic.

    For IA--no, Graf wasn't en pointe. But then Vishneva isn't en pointe in Scheherazade. Graf reminded me a bit of Vishneva in that clip (though to be honest, I thought Graf achieved greater fluid movement than does Vishneva. JMHO of course ).

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    I see no similarities. And I also don't see Graf attempting weightlessness and softness--this style of dancing is very different and these elements are not even a goal. Apples and oranges. I appreciate modern dance but my heart really belongs to ballet.

    The lightness and fluidity of movement as well as the illusion of weightlessness that I mean can be observed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9zoUxzpIU

    (how many times have I linked this video here on FSU? at least 3)
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    It is. BTW, Diana Vishneva is performing Giselle in D.C. in early February 2011 at the Kennedy Center. I would love to see this but she is not coming to the West Coast. Go see it and tell us about it!
    Ooh, I'd like to see that. A trip to DC is much more doable now and Giselle's one of my faves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lara View Post
    Ooh, I'd like to see that. A trip to DC is much more doable now and Giselle's one of my faves.
    Aren't you in NYC? Cuz she is coming there too in May/June 2011.

    The modern ballet that I absolutely love are Boris Eifman's productions:

    So voidy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRTIooY98fo

    His Anna Karenina was mind boggling. If Boris Eifman and his company comes around where you live, try not to miss it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    I see no similarities.
    Hmm, okay.
    And I also don't see Graf attempting weightlessness and softness
    I didn't mention either weightlessness or softness for Graf--I spoke of fluidity of movement. I thought she achieved that to an amazing degree.

    I like Vishneva so I won't knock her. I just think there are other ways of achieving fluidity and/or lightness of movement without adhering to a specific body type.

    I'll leave it there and hope more performance clips are posted--I'm enjoying them

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    Aren't you in NYC? Cuz she is coming there too in May/June 2011. The modern ballet that absolutely love are Boris Eifman's productions:

    So voidy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRTIooY98fo

    His Anna Karenina was mind boggling. If Boris Eifman and his company comes around where you live, try not to miss it!
    No, I moved to the Philadelphia area in October. Which is why I'm closer to DC now than when I was in NY. I was sadly remiss about seeing NYCB while living there. But I do tend to like PA Ballet productions so may catch some more now.

    Thanks for the tip, will keep an eye out if it comes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by agalisgv View Post
    I didn't mention either weightlessness or softness for Graf--I spoke of fluidity of movement. I thought she achieved that to an amazing degree.
    I thought we were talking about this:
    I read many years ago a former principal ballerina (I believe trained at Vaganova) talk about the essence of ballet. She said the goal of ballet was to create the illusion of lightness unbounded by gravity, and movement that continued past where physical movement ceased. In this way, the sense of lightness and extension made dancers appear to not be bound by physical laws, and not weighed down to the earth.
    As far as fluidity of movement is concerned, it's really hard for me to compare such different styles of dancing, one being classical ballet and one very modern. Like I said, apples and oranges which is why I am having a hard time even beginning to compare. The standards and goals are just so different.
    Quote Originally Posted by agalisgv View Post
    I like Vishneva so I won't knock her. I just think there are other ways of achieving fluidity and/or lightness of movement without adhering to a specific body type.
    I think we are not talking about the same thing.

    Lara, hope you get to see Vishneva's Giselle! This is the clip I linked in the infamous Yuna thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KirsPqS3JQ

    here's another, not great quality though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qo04...eature=related

    She really looks like a ghost there.

    Here's the same bit danced by Yevgenia Obraztsova: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg7nC...eature=related

    And by Uliana Lopatkina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySob8...eature=related
    Last edited by IceAlisa; 12-12-2010 at 07:19 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agalisgv View Post

    I'll leave it there and hope more performance clips are posted--I'm enjoying them
    You got it!

    Here's Polina Semionova, one of my favorite Black Swans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q0z5...eature=related

    She is pure here.

    And more Semionova: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id-bF...eature=related Check her out if you are in Berlin.
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