I think we're debating over two questions in this thread: 1) Whether this year's selection is fair (considering USFS tradition, this is fair). I think it's a moot point because the team is picked based on what skaters already know to be the criteria.Abbott went to Worlds in the season he won the GPF, and Czisny's going this year, so *shrug*. (And not to belabor the point, but Abbott subsequently placed 11th and was the lowest ranked of US skaters at that event.) And skate-offs at 4CC are leaving it a little late and are basically requiring a do-over of US nationals, because you will have to send your World team to 4CC or else the argument of "you have to put them on the Worlds team, they medalled at 4CC" falls apart if not everyone who was already on the World team had a chance to medal at 4CC, so who are they going to displace, someone who didn't even have a chance? And do we really need to have a do-over of US nationals one to two weeks later? (And by this logic, the GPF champ would be booted off the Worlds team because she was the 3rd placed US skater at 4CC.)
2) WHat should be the ideal current selection criteria? HOnestly there is none. As seen from the past, each selection criterion is bounced to flop at some point. Miki got her 06 O spot based on her international showing and she got 16th at Olympics. OTOH, the Japanese based their junior world selection on junior nationals and sent its winner, Mari Suzuki, to JW in 09 and she didn't even qualify for the free skate. So basing selection heavily on one criterion makes the selection inflexible and it's bounced to fail at some point.
But I think allowing some consideration to winners of big internationals does allow some flexibility in selection in close cases when great results (like winning gpf) speak for themselves. I'm not saying someone who places 7th at nationals and medals at 4cc should be sent.
ETA: Just to clarify, I am not arguing over Jeremy's spot. He did himself in, and I'm a big fan.
Last edited by jlai; 02-23-2011 at 05:37 AM.
The way the current rule is being enforced is the most clear cut way to pick the World/Olympic team. IMO Any other way leaves too much room for (not that it is stopping us now) and has the potential for a PR trainwreck. The USFS has been extremely consistent in their selection. Going into Nationals every skater hoping to make the World team knows the score and they know what they have to do to get there. Jeremy just didn't cut it.
The wording of the selection criteria is unfortunate, because it does leave room for interpretation, but it's evident that the USFS chose to do it this way to get the USOC off their back. It also allows them wiggle room for extraordinary cases like Michelle Kwan in 2006. I like Jeremy, but he is no Michelle Kwan.
This is the post-Olympic season and I see no reason why the USFS should hold Jeremy's hand going into Worlds. Particularly as his results thus far have been less than stellar on that stage. JMO
I do agree Jeremy did himself in. No argument there.
I've been thinking of cases where top national placements do poorly at worlds or jr worlds. Like Mari Suzuki. Perhaps there is an occasional difference between the opinin of one's own national judges and international judges. Could inviting some intl judges to judge US nationals solve this issue?
But, I've talked to them. (It was part of my research to decide how to vote on the issue at Governing Council a number of years ago.) And, as hard as it is for you to imagine, they don't agree with you.
Likewise, USFS ... as you point out by your very own logic ... doesn't agree with you that the sole purpose of Worlds is to send the very best team with no other considerations. There are other considerations that factor into it.
Delete. Wrong Thread.
Now, if you've spoken to many of the middle-of-the-pack skaters who don't have much going on internationally, of course they want Nationals to mean everything since it's their only prayer of getting on a World team.
Last edited by stjeaskategym; 02-23-2011 at 09:34 AM.
Nothing about the 4CC results confirms that USFS is sending the right team to Worlds. The fact that a totally mistake-filled LP from Abbott could still score about 30 points higher than Miner has EVER scored internationally, plus still beat Kozuka, says the opposite.
I also don't understand this argument that Miner won his spot "fair and square." I guess that's true-- he didn't whack Abbott in the knee or anything-- but the PCS thrown at Miner would never hold up internationally. He was given, on average, PCS that were across the board about 2 points higher than he's scored internationally, while skaters like Abbott and Rippon got PCS that were almost identical to what they scored on the Grand Prix this fall. If there's going to be major Nationals inflation, Rippon should have been getting 9.50s-10s.
Abbott's performance at Nationals this year really was not any worse than Lysaceck's at 2009- he just had the misfortune of having 2 newbiews, instead of one, sneak ahead of him.
Last edited by carriecmu0503; 02-23-2011 at 01:35 PM.
Also, not to sound all konpsiracy-theory, but isn't Ross still coached by Mark Mitchell? There may, not even overtly but in the back of USFS's minds, be that nagging memory of how it worked out for them when his coach got bumped in favor of a previous national champion.
I meant to take the high road.... but I missed the exit.
I'm only a fan, in no teknik whatsoever, and I'm going to get flamed for my unpopular view, but I'm tired of this insistence on "picking the best world team possible." I think a trip to worlds should be the reward for a job well done at the skater's own nationals. If the US doesn't do so well at worlds as some fans would like, so be it. There are actually other countries and other skaters entered, and I wouldn't mind seeing some of them rise up and steal the moment.