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    Videos of bidirectional jump combinations?

    I've heard there's such thing as doing a jump combination incorporating different directions (eg. CCW salchow with CW lutz). I'd love to see a video, but Youtube doesn't have any results. Has anyone seen a video of this, or someone doing it in real life?

    Thanks!

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    I've only seen Lambiel trying a 2A rotating his usual way and trying it immediately afterwards in a different direction, as some kind of sequence. I think it was some gala practise or so.

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    Todd Eldredge used to do axels both ways.

    I have seen an adult skater years ago at US Adult Nationals who could do axels and double salchows both ways. Amazing.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Rohene Ward.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC1-havgrIk
    Early bit shows spins in both directions and jumps up to 3a. About halfway through are double jumps in both directions--loop, flip?, and axel, if I remember correctly.

    I know there was a show this summer where Lambiel did 2a in both directions, but I can't remember what it was.

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    Kozuka does a double salchow in the opposite direction in an exhibition number.

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    Usually, the 2nd ( and 3rd ) jump of a combination must be a loop or toe loop. But if a skater can jump in both directions, than the 2nd jump can be something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilJen View Post
    Wow, thanks! This is a new practice video from this September that I hadn't seen before, along with another video showing off his extended spirals and other moves.

    This 2002 exhibition skate by Rohene Ward (one of my all-time favorite skating performances) includes a clockwise to counter-clockwise (his "regular" direction) double Axel sequence, as well as spins in both directions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAdIn-NFKhc

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    Orser used to iirc. Think is was "only" a single axle though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilJen View Post
    Rohene Ward.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC1-havgrIk
    Early bit shows spins in both directions and jumps up to 3a. About halfway through are double jumps in both directions--loop, flip?, and axel, if I remember correctly.

    I know there was a show this summer where Lambiel did 2a in both directions, but I can't remember what it was.
    I miss him

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    Those Rohene Ward videos are un-be-lievable!!! Such a phenomenal skater And thank you for the video of his Vienna exhibition Sylvia. It's years since I last saw it and it was lovely to see again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floskate View Post
    Those Rohene Ward videos are un-be-lievable!!! Such a phenomenal skater And thank you for the video of his Vienna exhibition Sylvia. It's years since I last saw it and it was lovely to see again.
    Amazing because you don't see whoch jump is natural : the clockwise or counter-clockwise one ? They are both very good !

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    Hypothetical question: Would it be considered a combo to do a lutz CCW, step to the other foot and do a toe loop CW?

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    If there's a step to the other foot, it definitely wouldn't be considered a combo.

    We need a technical specialist to clarify for us whether a step would make it count as a jump sequence or as two separate jump elements.

    I'm pretty sure a change of edge on the same foot would make it two separate elements.

    But if a skater can do that with triple jumps, maybe they should start doing it in exhibitions and lobby to have the rules amended for it to count as a sequence.

    Or would it be more valuable to count it as two separate solo jumps, leaving opportunities for three other combos/sequences in the program, and hope for increased GOEs (for difficult exit of first jump/entry to second) and PCS (for intricate transition; originality; multidirectionality) from the judges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floskate View Post
    Those Rohene Ward videos are un-be-lievable!!! Such a phenomenal skater
    Should have been National and/or World Champ a few times over. Sigh.
    In my spare time, I like to interview figure skating legends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floskate View Post
    Those Rohene Ward videos are un-be-lievable!!! Such a phenomenal skater
    That was wonderful!
    He makes it look SO easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manleywoman View Post
    Should have been National and/or World Champ a few times over. Sigh.
    This. Absolutely one of the most beautiful skaters I've ever seen.

    Not considered combos, but might be considered sequences:

    Carol Heiss' famous single axels in opposite directions, a signature of hers (2:15).....
    Carol Heiss 1960 US Nationals

    Janet Lynn - double salchows in both directions at 2:00
    Janet Lynn 1969 US Nationals

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliver View Post
    Kozuka does a double salchow in the opposite direction in an exhibition number.
    It was in triple salchow - reverse double salchow combination, directly from eagle.
    Although he changes edges between the jumps from outside to inside, so I am not sure if it can be called a "combination" by ISU.

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