# Thread: Steps Cheat Sheet

1. ## Steps Cheat Sheet

Hey everyone! I was hoping to have a quick cheat sheet of what some steps actually are in my quest of slowly learning steps on the ice. I just want to focus on 1-foot turns, and I have 2 quick questions to ask. The first one I can understand is subjective, but generally speaking, what is the difficulty ranking of the 4 major steps? I believe 3-turns are the easiest 1-foot turns, but how would someone generally rank brackets, counters, and rockers?

My 2nd question is a bit more involving: what are the definition of these stpes? All I'm looking for is an example of how to perform these steps. ie, for a 3-turn, and example is to be on a right inside edge, turn counter-clockwise (following the rotation of the edge) and be on the right back outside edge. What is an example of a bracket, counter, and rocker?

Also, are there other types of 1-ffot turns that I missed?

THANK YOU great and knowledgable FSU peeps

2. First Question: I'm not sure, I think counters would generally be considered the hardest but like you said, it really depends on the person.

Second Question: Using your example...A Bracket from a right forward inside edge, turn clockwise and exit on a right back outside edge. A Rocker from a right forward inside edge, turn anti clockwise and exit on a right back inside edge. A Counter from a right forward inside edge, turn clockwise, exit on a right back inside edge. This article has a diagram http://web.icenetwork.com/news/artic...&vkey=ice_news

Another one foot turn is a loop, although it doesn't turn as such. The edge gets pulled round in a small tear drop shape and exits the same way you went in.

3. Thank you thank you thank you!!! EXACTLY what I was looking for

4. Difficulty depends on the skater and also whether they find inside or outside turns more difficult or back turns more difficult.

I generally find counters easier than rockers. And then brackets harder than both of those. Then those I do on my left foot easier than my right. And then the backward versions of all them more difficult than the forward versions.

5. And the USFSA considers the difficulty (lowest to highest) as 3-turn, bracket , counter, rocker.

You can follow a formula for turns:

3turn: (edge) natural rotation (opposite edge)
bracket: (edge) counter rotation (opposite edge)
counter: (edge) counter rotation (same edge)
rocker: (edge) natural rotation (same edge)

6. Sk8stuff.com has descriptions and illustrations.

One-foot turns: http://www.sk8stuff.com/f_recog/recog_turns_1_foot.htm

Two-foot turns: http://www.sk8stuff.com/f_recog/recog_turns_2_foot.htm

7. Originally Posted by vesperholly
And the USFSA considers the difficulty (lowest to highest) as 3-turn, bracket , counter, rocker.

You can follow a formula for turns:

3turn: (edge) natural rotation (opposite edge)
bracket: (edge) counter rotation (opposite edge)
counter: (edge) counter rotation (same edge)
rocker: (edge) natural rotation (same edge)
In Canada, I suppose it could be seen as difficulty, but the steps focused on from lowest to highest skills are:

3turn
bracket & loops
rocker
counter

I personally find some rockers harder than counters in general, some loops are also quite tricky cause you want to do them without using the toepick.

8. Thank you all soooo much

I'l be referring to this info for a loooong time to come! a couple of days ago while working on all my 3-turns, I started experimenting a bit, and did what I now realize is a counter with ease, but I didn't know what that step was called. The one I did was a left forward inside to left back inside turning counter clockwise. But before I move on, I want to master all my 3-turns first (The 3-turn that gave me the most trouble was the left back outside to left forward inside, but I'm finally getting the hang of it!)

You guys rock

9. Everyone I know who has broken a wrist has done it falling on a bracket, so I'll say that brackets would be the most difficult...

10. You can try all the one-foot turns on two feet to get the feel of how they rotate and what they upper body needs to do. Much safer than trying them on one foot right away. However, the placement of your weight over the blades will be much different than when you try them on one foot.

11. Once you have the 3 turns, the respective brackets come easily. Just remember to face the opposite direction than 3 turns.

12. Originally Posted by gkelly
You can try all the one-foot turns on two feet to get the feel of how they rotate and what they upper body needs to do. Much safer than trying them on one foot right away. However, the placement of your weight over the blades will be much different than when you try them on one foot.
Thanks! I completely forgot about the 2-feet exercise, even though I did it when I was first learning 3-turns! (And I agree, the 3-turn feels completely different on 1 foot, bu the upper body movement was more secure

Originally Posted by jjane45
Once you have the 3 turns, the respective brackets come easily. Just remember to face the opposite direction than 3 turns.
Thanks! I don't know why, but it seams to me that getting the respective counters would be easier, but again I've only attempted one type of counter, and never a rocker or a bracket, so what do I know needless to say, it would be a while before I commit to learning a new step. now I'm just enjoying the progress of my 3-turns

13. Originally Posted by wouldacoulda
Everyone I know who has broken a wrist has done it falling on a bracket, so I'll say that brackets would be the most difficult...
I sprained my ankle on a rocker stupid Novice moves ...

14. Today I taught my coach how to do a closed outside mohawk. Of course she did it better than I can.

But I took some ice dance lessons a decade ago, and she always did singles.

15. Originally Posted by jjane45
Once you have the 3 turns, the respective brackets come easily. Just remember to face the opposite direction than 3 turns.
ymmv, but for most people this isn't the case. Brackets are not very intuitive & are usually cheated at first & take a lot of practice to get them to be true brackets, and also to not feel like you're going to die while doing them--especially the fwd outsides & back outsides.

16. Originally Posted by backspin
ymmv, but for most people this isn't the case. Brackets are not very intuitive & are usually cheated at first & take a lot of practice to get them to be true brackets, and also to not feel like you're going to die while doing them--especially the fwd outsides & back outsides.
I first had them in group lessons and it seems everyone managed to do resonably well in the first 30 minutes (both feet, both edges, forward and backward). Even though the instructor did not pick much on us, I certainly cannot tell if we cheated or not.Would you mind elaborating what is the most common ways for beginners to cheat brackets? Which part of the tracing would look wrong compared to a true bracket? Thank you very much!

17. It's pretty common to change edge before the actual turn, so that the "bracket" is really a three-turn in disguise.

18. Originally Posted by jjane45
I first had them in group lessons and it seems everyone managed to do resonably well in the first 30 minutes (both feet, both edges, forward and backward). Even though the instructor did not pick much on us, I certainly cannot tell if we cheated or not.Would you mind elaborating what is the most common ways for beginners to cheat brackets? Which part of the tracing would look wrong compared to a true bracket? Thank you very much!
Agree w/ Clarice; most people when learning change the edge at the last moment. You won't feel it; you have to go back & examine the tracing to see if it's right. You'll see a sway in the edge just before the turn.

Considering that brackets are an Intermediate moves element, and considering that most skaters who are at that level work for months to get them right, it's doubtful that an entire group class got them correct in 30 minutes.....

19. Originally Posted by jjane45
Would you mind elaborating what is the most common ways for beginners to cheat brackets? Which part of the tracing would look wrong compared to a true bracket? Thank you very much!
I'd say the most common error is doing the bracket on a flat. Typically this is when skaters are just learning them, and doing them from hardly any glide at all. Next common would be changing the edge so it's more like a 3-turn, which stems from a concerted effort to get off the flats. Then you'll have skaters who get one part but not the other correct - the entrance is checked fine but the exit is the wrong edge, they can't hold either the entrance edge, etc.

20. Thank you everyone for the comments on brackets! I noticed that my tracing is not as symmetric as I would like it to be, with the exit edge sometimes being wonky on particular turns. But will certainly check for edge change the next time I skate on clean ice!

My cheat sheet should indicate the free leg position for different turns. It's usually difficult for me to figure out when does free leg go in front and when tucked behind, lol.

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