Didn't watch his FS so I don't know
Didn't watch his FS so I don't know
Well obviously, Patrick Chan is like the greatest skater ever. Why bother even having competitions? I think Patrick Chan should have predetermined PCS that are unattainable by any other skater just because he's so superior.
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Sure Patrick has some amazing qualities. His quad toe is also probably his best jump thusfar. Why I don't think he deserves his scores? He makes mistakes all the time in his programs and the rest of his jumps are nothing to brag about either.
No one deserves anything. Scores are so relative.
But for sure, Patrick Chan's skating is from another Planet !
So, I'm OK with his scores.
Except that Takahashi has been getting higher PCS when he hasn't skated his best either.
He really has very good skating skills, ice coverage, etc but even seeing him live I'm not sure how he gets those high PE and IN scores. His choreography is complex but he seems like he's just going through the motions sometimes, particularly when he flubs his jumps.
His jumps are quite good when he lands them--he could use a bit more distance and height on his jumps however--but the problem is that he often doesn't land them. If he has such good skating skills I wonder why he isn't able to hold the landing edge of his jumps....
If the best male skater in Canada--or perhaps the world--keeps winning medals with four falls per competition, I think that is more indicative of the quality of the other men in the field (or really good politicking by his federation)
And very interesting that SmallFairy brings up Elena & Anton's marks - I'm going to have to think about that...
Last edited by Skate Talker; 11-20-2010 at 07:26 PM.
Invalid comparisson :p MR C has superb SS but fell on his ass -only the last month- as many times as Mr P has fallen in his entire career. If Chan skates clean his program will be fantastic but until he does so his IN and PE are not such wonderful, he looks down and rushes through choreo, projecting no personality and his jumps except the gorgeous quad are small.
OK, apparently I am sooo out of it that I can't figure out who is Mr C. Anyone wish to name names to help me out? If not here, a PM would be great.
Just to clarify, I was watching skating 15 years ago but not as much as I do now - thank you internet!
Crazy about sports!
Ita about the fact that Plushenko actually delivered in the top competitions. Look Plushenko's PCS were absolutely too high, but I don't think his Olympic win can be disputed. Nor really can his worlds wins. So to compare the two situations is ridiculous IMO.
really not intended to defend anything, I dont debate chan has better SS than Plu has/had, I just found the previous post before mine with Mr P and Mr C amusing
The ones who shall not be named kind of thing
I just hope Chan is an exception and that his scores are just the result of an exceptional skating quality. Because it's kind of weird to have such results with so many falls. If rules are respected Chan gets deductions and he is just being rewarded for his skating skills according to the rules. Discussing about the fairness of his PCS is another issue that I can't discuss here. I'm just assuming that they are deserved averall.
But hopefully he will remain an exception, so that it won't become a pattern for skaters to be excellent in skating skills and lacking of consistency in the jump area.
Because figure skating is not ice dancing, if skaters start to win even without the jumps it will become dangerous for the futur of the sport.
Hopefully they will change the rules in the SP to punish people who fall on or otherwise blow required elements. If that had been in place this year, we wouldn't be having this discussion.