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    Quote Originally Posted by Sedge View Post
    I love the rhythm and energy of that jump set from Joannie.

    It went up in value by about 2.2 points as well..moving from 80% to 100%
    Base value 7.48 at Olympics
    Base value 9.68 at Japan Open

    Plus she can now say she has a 3/3.
    Joannie had success with the 3toe+3toe combination back in 2004-2005. She has also landed 3flip+3toe and 3flip+3Salchow sequences from 2003-2005. The jump combination she has attempted and landed the most is 3toe+1/2loop+3Salchow from 2007-present. She has landed 3Lutz+3toe and 3flip+3toe combinations in competition practices/warm-ups, but has never been credited with it in international competition. I believe she finally got credited for the 3flip+3toe at her Nationals in 2009 in the SP. I'm glad the value of difficulty in her 3toe+1/2loop+3Salchow is finally getting realized. How inconvenient though that these new jump values didn't exist in Vancouver. The difference in value from that pass as a sequence to what it is now as a combination is at the same point margin that she lost the Olympic silver to Mao Asada. No doubt she would have received +GOE for completing it as successfully as she recently did at the Japan Open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I thoguht Shawn Sawyer got credited with a 3flip half loop 3loop sequence at NHK?
    Because it's not considered as a sequence anymore. Now, it's a 3 jumps combo : 3F/1L/3L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    That is now a combination (from this season).

    Half-loop is now being called as 1Lo.

    Therefore his sequence was called as a: 3F+1Lo+3Lo+COMBO
    It wasn't though, it was called 3F+1Lo+3Lo+SEQ. Marco is correct.

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/gp..._FS_Scores.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    That is now a combination (from this season).

    Half-loop is now being called as 1Lo.

    Therefore his sequence was called as a: 3F+1Lo+3Lo+COMBO
    Half-loop lands on the inside edge. I think only flips and salchows are allowed as the third jump to call it a 3 jump combo.

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    I don't remember what Shawn actually did. But if the protocol's 1Lo was Shawn's half loop, then it'll be a sequence. Because the 2nd jump (half loop) lands on LBI. The take off of the 3rd jump (3Loop) is on RBO. Shawn would have to put his other foot down to set up for the 3Loop. Because of that extra step down (from left foot to right foot) in between the 2nd and 3rd jumps, it's a sequence.

    That's the same concept for 2A-2A SEQ. The first 2A lands on RBO, the second 2A takes off on LFO. So the step down to change foot from R to L (a choctaw in this case) makes it a sequence.

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    Sawyer's NHK Trophy FS protocol reads 3F+1Lo+3S+SEQ (9.15 BV) and he received 9.05 points for it. Is the +SEQ part wrong?

    Oh sorry, I missed seeing RFOS' reply above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFOS View Post
    It wasn't though, it was called 3F+1Lo+3Lo+SEQ. Marco is correct.

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/gp..._FS_Scores.pdf
    Thanks for calling me out on this but that is so weird!

    HisWeirness found rules explicitly stating that only the first two jumps are going to be called in a jump sequence.

    That's what S/S have been told by their fed tech specialist with regards to their planned 3toe...3toe...2axel sequence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    HisWeirness found rules explicitly stating that only the first two jumps are going to be called in a jump sequence.

    That's what S/S have been told by their fed tech specialist with regards to their planned 3toe...3toe...2axel sequence.
    I thought it was that the two highest-valued jumps are called in a jump sequence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luenatic View Post
    I don't remember what Shawn actually did. But if the protocol's 1Lo was Shawn's half loop, then it'll be a sequence. Because the 2nd jump (half loop) lands on LBI. The take off of the 3rd jump (3Loop) is on RBO. Shawn would have to put his other foot down to set up for the 3Loop. Because of that extra step down (from left foot to right foot) in between the 2nd and 3rd jumps, it's a sequence.

    That's the same concept for 2A-2A SEQ. The first 2A lands on RBO, the second 2A takes off on LFO. So the step down to change foot from R to L (a choctaw in this case) makes it a sequence.
    Except that Shawn is a clockwise jumper. We have to exchange L and R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    I thought it was that the two highest-valued jumps are called in a jump sequence.
    Ahhhh yes! Thanks for pointing this out. So it would mean that 3F+1Lo+3Lo+SEQ was called but only the values of the flip and the loop were counted. That makes sense now.

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