Illusion spin

[hanca]

I noticed that not that many top skaters do Illusion spin. Why is that? Does it still count as spin, with all those changes in rules?

If I wanted to use it in my program, where it would be best? In SP or in FS?

[Doubletoe]

You will probably see it more this year, now that it counts as a difficult variation of an upright spin. You need to do 3 turns, though, IIRC. You will probably see it most as the final upright position in a combination spin that also has at least one other difficult variation in a different position.

[MusicSkateFan]

I hate illusion spins.....almost as much as the "bend-over grab your ankle-upright spin!" Horrid position....esp for ladies in a dress!

[hanca]

I hate bend down-grab skate upright spin too, but I love the illusion spin.

I think it is quite madness to persuade your head to go down and leg up while you are spinning (when learning the illusion spin).

[hanca]

You will probably see it more this year, now that it counts as a difficult variation of an upright spin. You need to do 3 turns, though, IIRC. You will probably see it most as the final upright position in a combination spin that also has at least one other difficult variation in a different position.

Thank you Doubletoe. So it is counted as a difficult variation of upright spin? I thought that it would be counted as parallel spin...

I just looked through the ISU communication No 1611 and can't find there anything at all about Illusion spins. Where in the rules is is addressed? Can anyone help?

[Doubletoe]

Thank you Doubletoe. So it is counted as a difficult variation of upright spin? I thought that it would be counted as parallel spin...

I just looked through the ISU communication No 1611 and can't find there anything at all about Illusion spins. Where in the rules is is addressed? Can anyone help?

OK, I just looked up the July 1 USFSA document where I saw it shown as an upright variation, and saw that it has since been deleted. Now the July 27 "ISU Technical Panel Handbook" on USFSA.org shows the illusion spin as a difficult variation of an intermediate position. According to page 8 of the document (Page 4 in the spin clarification section):

“Windmill (Illusion): is considered a difficult variation of an intermediate position IP, it must be done at least 3 times in a row to be counted as a Level feature."

So you should be able to do your illusion spin as part of any combination spin that already has two basic positions (such as camel and sit).

[hanca]

Thank you, Doubletoe.

[backspin]

“Windmill (Illusion): is considered a difficult variation of an intermediate position IP, it must be done at least 3 times in a row to be counted as a Level feature."

So you should be able to do your illusion spin as part of any combination spin that already has two basic positions (such as camel and sit).

***backspin makes a mental note to never, NEVER attempt choreography for an IJS program***

[skatemommy]

ok, I can do it once but what is the sekret for 3x? ps. I see this once in a lot of IJS footwork because it gets the head and shoulders below the knee.

[leafygreens]

I love Illusion spins! Watching them, that is. I can never get more than 2 before I fall over.

[hanca]

Can't be THAT hard (in theory), if a 10 year old girl can do them! (I mean, relatively speaking. Not that hard for top skaters, not for me!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzk5wSTa2Gg