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    The Short Dance - or as I like to say: the Original Compulsory ;)


    Ice Dance has been reduced from 3 - 2 segments - how will the Short Dance impact the competition?



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    It gives us a third less costumes to snark about!

    Seriously, I am not in love with the format so far, but hopefully that will change as coaches and choreographers adapt to the new rule. (Right now, I think some programs are a bit jarring how they connect/disconnect from the CD aspect of the dance). I think it actually puts teams who are not as good in compulsaries (but usually had decent ODs) at a disadvantage. They have one whole less part of the competition in an attempt to pull up. I guess the good aspect for such teams, however, is that they only have to do the pattern once, instead of twice.

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    I'm excited about the Short dance. I can only imagine that it will help ice dance be more competitive. Not that I didn't enjoy the compulsories, I did. And I still believe that the CDs should not go away...young dancers should learn them and be tested on them. It can only help their basics. But with the new short dance component, the dance will be more interesting with more choices of music and more original choreography. But with the CD component in there, the dancers will still be judged apples to apples on the steps they do within the dance. The CD judging in the past always seemed to "rank" the skaters and the complaint was that we knew the results before the FD was even skated. CoP judging helped a lot to change that for ice dance and I'm hoping the Short dance will help as well. Give the ice dancers more opportunity to improve their results based on how they actually perform in any given competition.

    I've watched ice dance for a long time and I like the changes that have been made so far. Ice dance is far more interesting to me now even though I've always enjoyed it very much. The ice dance competition at the 2010 Olympics was thrilling, I enjoyed it the most of all the skating.

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    I don't like it. Maybe because this is the first year, and it's too young to be done well.

    I think we are loosing the basis of ice dancing with Compulsories and the creativity of the Original Dance.

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    I have yet to see any of the Short Dances, so I'll reserve judgment, but in the last several seasons, most of my favorite ice dance routines have been Original Dances. I am very sad to lose them.

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    I loved the Compulsory Dance because you got a chance to directly compare teams on the same dance.

    I don't think the short dance, from what I've seen so far, really works. I wish they'd go back to the old format.

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    Ice skating has to pay the bills. I think the fact that audience wasn't there for Compulsary killed it. Pay those arena fees and no attendees to offset the bills.... not a good combo. So I don't expect the CD to return.

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    I thought I was going to be happy with the Short Dance. It's not really that I'm unhappy, but ODs were so much fun! Especially last year. And mixing them with CDs takes away some of the fun of a uniquely themed dance.

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    I need more time to decide. Anything at the beginning of the season never has of good of a quality as it does at the end. We might not be seeing the best short dances now but we also aren't seeing the best free dances either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genevieve View Post
    I have yet to see any of the Short Dances, so I'll reserve judgment, but in the last several seasons, most of my favorite ice dance routines have been Original Dances. I am very sad to lose them.

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    Me too.

    I think it is ridiculous to give teams a pattern, and make them fit it to the music. From what we've seen thus far, it simply does not work.

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    Well, I'm not sorry to see the compulsories go - too often recently they were used to bolster the scores of the judges "favorites". However, I think the idea of the short dance still needs some work. Mixing the rhythms -from what I've seen so far - doesnt really work. I think sticking to one rhythm makes for a better dance.

    But in a way I think it's too early to ask this question. We've only seen rough versions of the SD on video - you can only really tell when you see them in competition.

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    I enjoyed the SD more at Minto SS, where the juniors and lower ranked seniors seemed to be picking some rather original music choices for it than at Nebelhorn, where they were mostly traditionally waltzy in style.

    I still haven't forgiven the ISU for not doing the theme OD this year that was originally proposed- the 50s 60s and 70s. I was really looking forward to it- even though I know that Elvis and Saturday Night Fever would have been massively overused (with a few Beatles dances thrown in). But there would have been a few gems in there, and some good music choices to keep things interesting.
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    Admittedly I speak as a big fan of the compulsory dance, but CDs would be just as interesting on television as any other segment of the dance competition if the broadcasters would take the time to explain the purpose of the CD, show the diagram, and explain what makes a dance good or not so good. Informed commentary is just as useful for the CD as it is for any other part of competition. Writing the CDs off as "boring" is just lazy broadcasting.

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    I really didn't want to like them, I really didn't. I was so freaked about not being able to judge apples to apples which the compulsories did. I also thought skaters could just hide their weaknesses and show their strengths if the CD vanished. After seeing some of the short dances this year, I'm so excited as to how this event will develop over the next few years. I'm a convert. Three cheers for the short dance; hip hip hooray, hip hip horray, big dick no way.
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    From what I've seen so far, it looks like the top choreographers will put together interesting, integrated programs, and it will be fun to see compulsory patterns to different music. For instance, I loved Cappellini & Lanotte's SD. But we probably also will see some dreadful mashups, harkening back to the days of really bad music edits and grab-bag ice dance programs. OK

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    I find it refreshing to see the Golden Waltz steps set to new music. The reused music tracks were definitely an annoyance for me. I just wish we hadn't lost the OD in the process.

    I also like how the Golden Waltz is given levels in the SD - I think having the tech panel in charge of that will make for more accurate judging of how well these teams are doing the GW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tak View Post
    Well, I'm not sorry to see the compulsories go - too often recently they were used to bolster the scores of the judges "favorites". However, I think the idea of the short dance still needs some work. Mixing the rhythms -from what I've seen so far - doesnt really work. I think sticking to one rhythm makes for a better dance.

    But in a way I think it's too early to ask this question. We've only seen rough versions of the SD on video - you can only really tell when you see them in competition.

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    I agree about this. But this was because no teams were doing them properly. There was no team really better than the others in compulsories, except maybe Delobel & Schoenfelder.

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    The problem I have with it is the levels in the Golden Waltz portion of the dance. It is up to the Technical Panel to decide if the edges are done correctly. And I am not sure that is the best way to do it.

    Also I am not keen on having a waltz combined with three other rythmns. For myself it would make more sense to just have it as a waltz overall. Otherwise it becomes quite random and you lose that idea of the theme that you had with Original Dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    Also I am not keen on having a waltz combined with three other rythmns. For myself it would make more sense to just have it as a waltz overall. Otherwise it becomes quite random and you lose that idea of the theme that you had with Original Dance.

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    Of course, Waltz and Quickstep have nothing to do together. What a waste !
    But it's up to the skaters to skate to a Waltz or to combine several rhythms.

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    I don't like SD. I prefer old version: CD and OD!

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