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    I would rather they begin by giving medals to the top three in the short and free program as well as an overall winner. Just like the ISU does.

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    You can believe that this Olympic 'Team competition' would not be talked about and be under consideration without the knowledge and likely favorable consideration by the IOC. I think it will be approved for Sochi or the following winter games.

    I think the IOC wants to limit any increase in the number of athletes contributing to such a new event and would likely want national teams made up of skaters already qualified to contend for individual medals at the games - not add a second tier of skaters. Olympic movement is constructed to allow only those nation's athletes who qualify for the games. A new construt would have to be instituted to qualify separate skaters for the team. Using skaters already qualified for the four disciplines does not impact costs.

    In a perfect world the natural team competition at the Olympics would be Synchronized Team Skating. But as previously mentioned 8 to 10 Synchro Teams of anywhere from 12 to 20 members would mean 96 to 200 additional athletes to be housed, fed, travel paid for, etc. I don't foresee this happening any time soon. But I wish it would. Adding Synchro is my first choice.
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    Yes, yes, yes!! I'd love to see team competition at the Olympics.

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    I think the IOC should go through with whatever plan they had for YOG 2012 in terms of teams, see how it fares, and THEN decide whether or not to implement team competitions in 2018.

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    I agree synchro is a huge cost and that's probably a huge obstacle ... but figure skating is one of the sports at the Olys that brings in the most money... you'd think that would help even things out in the end. Unfortunately this proposed team event only seems profit-driven and not sport or athlete-centered.

    I just don't see the point in specifically creating an event for the Olympic Games that is not already a popular format at the international/national/local level (bottom-up). To me, that's not very "Olympic"... has any other sport event been a top-down Olympic creation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soogar View Post
    I'd rather see synchronized skating as a team sport in the games.
    I agree.
    But there might be more in this.

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    I would like to have team competitions at the Olympics just as in many other sports

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR-FAN View Post
    Come Sochi, I can at least see Japan, China, Italy, France, Germany fielding a decent team if the federations focus on supporting their skaters.
    China? All China has is pairs and don't you think that's a little too little to make a team?

    Obviously, USA, Canada and Russia would rule the event. If Japan works on their pairs and dance teams, which apparently they have been doing lately, they can count too. I wouldn't top France - they have some great male skaters, but it feels like the good old school of French dance is slowly ending by P/B wasting their French potential with a Russian coach (sorry), their best pair has split and they do not have any top females. I think Italy could have a chance, though.

    As for the event itself, I would love it, but I don't think the skaters would. Adding synchronized skating seems a better idea, yet more expensive, but look how many young girls' dreams could come true this way.

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    One country can present only one team. But the team has to have all four disciplines. In Vancouver only five countries could present participants in all four discipline: Russia, USA, Canada, Germany and Italy. If the team competition comes true, I am sure some countries will be able to collect the team (China, Japan, France?).

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    I think team skaters are very athletic, but I think the format of the competition would draw questions about its status as a sport rather than an exhibition . . . questions that could take down ice dance with it.

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    mia joy don't know why you think China has only pairs. China's dance teams are easily as good as Japan's (only) pair team, and Japan's (only) dance team. And they have at least one male and female in singles currently working their way up. China could field a team. So could Japan, Italy, France, Germany (I think the top single skaters in Germany are Liebers and Dytrt - going out on a limb here to say China's singles are about the same level ? Isn't Song Gao Chinese?).

    I would love to see this happen. I don't care if it's money driven or not (tho I don't necessarily believe it is - are sponsors or TV broadcasters suddenly going to pay the IOC more because there's an extra skating competition?)

    I love the idea of more medal opportunities for skaters. Just look at the gymnasts - medals for each apparatus, medals for individual all-around, and medals for teams. I'd love to see similar kinds of opportunities for skaters.

    Also don't buy the line that the skaters will be too tired. Obviously they'd need a day or 2 to regroup after the individual competitions, but heck if gymnasts can do it so can skaters. Last time I checked they're trained athletes. I imagine they'll all find a way to adjust to an extra day of competition.

    China France Italy Germany Japan US Canada Russia am I missing anyone.

    Yes of course it would be dominated by Russia US Canada, but so what - several Olympic competitions are dominated by the top countries (women's hockey anyone?) but that doesn't stop it from being good competition and fun to watch, while giving those countries not in the top 3 incentive to develop their programs.

    I also like the idea of medals for the short programs - a bit like gymnastics individual apparatus medals. Some gymnasts are just better at one piece of apparatus than they are on the others. Well some skaters are "short program" skaters, and some always skate a better long, so let them get a medal for their specialty like the gymnasts do.

    Bring it on I say

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    Quote Originally Posted by alilou View Post

    China France Italy Germany Japan US Canada Russia am I missing anyone.
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    I don't really understand what "team competition" is, but if it means that the skaters have to skate another set of same/different programs, I think it's a stupid idea.

    Perhaps another set of medals could have been awarded based on the combined result in the 4 disciplines, if they're so eager to have another medal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrey aka Pushkin View Post
    Israel

    I don't really understand what "team competition" is, but if it means that the skaters have to skate another set of same/different programs, I think it's a stupid idea.
    So it's a stupid idea that gymnasts do their same routines over again in the team event that they did in the individual event? Why's that different for FS? Women's gymnastics floor routines are choreographed to music. No-one has a problem with them repeating the same routine for the team event. And also a skater or pair-dance team may have an off performance in the individual event so get a second chance to do better in the team event. Happens in gymnastics a lot.

    (Presumably the skaters would do the same routines. I think it would be a bit much to expect them to have 2 different programs for the team event).
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    I think the World Team Trophy that the ISU started in 2009 was a test for this concept. It would probably be run similarly. The skaters skated their season's programs. The countries that participated were the top finishing countries of the season. It would probably be the same skaters that are already there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Skatefan View Post
    I think the World Team Trophy that the ISU started in 2009 was a test for this concept. It would probably be run similarly. The skaters skated their season's programs. The countries that participated were the top finishing countries of the season. It would probably be the same skaters that are already there.
    And how successful has that been, outside of the core audience of devoted skating fans? I doubt the Olympics will want to add an event that can't even get a major-network broadcast in North America.

    The tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorist in me says that the team-event idea is just another way to try and get Plushy another OGM, especially in his home country, but maybe that's the tinfoil talking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    And how successful has that been, outside of the core audience of devoted skating fans? I doubt the Olympics will want to add an event that can't even get a major-network broadcast in North America.
    Bit to early to say yet if it's a successful idea or not isn't it since it's only been held once. Besides how successful is any FS competition outside of a core audience of devoted skating fans? Oh right - less successful than it used to be in the US, much more successful than it used to be in Korea, holding steady in Japan, and probably most of Europe, growing in recognition in China, etc etc etc. And if you're measuring success by how much money ISU got from the Japanese TV broadcaster to air WTT, and then how much money the TV broadcaster received from ad revenues aired during WTT - I'm guessing pretty successful, though I don't really know. Anybody?

    IOC already has it's system in place to get sponsors and sell TV rights. I can't imagine the addition or not of one more skating competition is really going to have a major impact on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alilou View Post
    IOC already has it's system in place to get sponsors and sell TV rights. I can't imagine the addition or not of one more skating competition is really going to have a major impact on that.
    IIRC the TV ratings for the most recent Summer and Winter Olympics were down from the previous events....so if the IOC has reason to be concerned about having a marketable TV package, they might not want to add on more events that aren't proven ratings draws.
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    I hope this happens! More opportunities for these skaters to win medals is a great thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    Hell to the no.
    Since the ISU hasn't had much success running its own team event - and IIRC has encountered some of the problems noted above, like tired skaters not wanting to add another event to their schedules
    I can't see fatigue being a major issue- It's only one extra day of competition. It's no more exerting than having to skate in a qualifying round at Worlds. If you offered the skaters an additional opportunity to win an Olympic medal/compete on Olympic ice, I think many of them would absolutely be in favor of it. I would just hope the Team competition comes after the Individual events.

    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    I would even dare to say that the saintly aura of the Olympic Gold Medal in skating would be diluted if skaters were able to win more than one medal.
    They will just be different types of medals, just as it's different to win a Team medal vs. winning an Individual All Around medal in gymnastics.

    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    And how successful has that been, outside of the core audience of devoted skating fans? I doubt the Olympics will want to add an event that can't even get a major-network broadcast in North America.
    Figure skating is the most popular Winter Olympic sport in the US. Instead of compulsory dance, NBC will get to televise a Team competition. I think it would be a great success in terms of ratings!

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    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    IIRC the TV ratings for the most recent Summer and Winter Olympics were down from the previous events....so if the IOC has reason to be concerned about having a marketable TV package, they might not want to add on more events that aren't proven ratings draws.
    As stjeaskategym pointed out, it's not really adding more in terms of the number of days of FS competition during the Olys - it essentially replaces the CD (which we all know is a huge ratings draw.............). I would guess a team comp will attract a bigger audience than the CD.

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    But what if the gold medalists in the 4 disciplines pull out of the team competition? This year the winners of mens and pairs didn't go to worlds but the dance and ladies did.

    I think it could be interesting. I wonder if the tecnical difficulty would be the same. What if a gold medalits didnt do well in the team competition and was beaten by someone who lost to them. I guess that wouldn't mean much. They could use what people use about worlds that it was fatigue in winning the olympic gold that made them lose worlds.

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